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Dave Bristle
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Initially Posted - 02/29/2004 : 14:08:58

I've seen people here and Catalina Direct refer to original equipment closed-body turnbuckles... My rigging has chromed bronze, open-body turnbuckles. Does that mean it has been replaced sometime during the life of the boat, or did Frank start (or stop) using them at some point? (The previous owner didn't replace the stays, but a PPO may have.) Any other clues? I know I have to replace the forestay--it's "untwisted" at the top, apparently from a halyard wrap by a PO. If the rest are original, they're due. But I don't necessarily want to replace stays that have already been replaced during the boat's lifetime.

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Past member and DPO of C-25 #5032
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing) and posting as "Stinkpotter".

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Edited by - Dave Bristle on 02/29/2004 14:10:00

Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 14:43:06

Dave,

Re: " If the rest are original, they're due. But I don't necessarily want to replace stays that have already been replaced during the boat's lifetime."

Have a qualified rigger take a look at them.

-- Leon Sisson

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 14:48:12

While this may not add value, it just might. I have new shrouds from CD and an old stock shroud. (CD prefers to ship its standing rigging with open turnbuckles, I am buy without because I bought the new 250 turnbuckles.)

The differences in the eyes are subtle but the differences in the studs are marked. Of course vendors could and probably have varied over time. The CD wire is also a larger gauge and lays the opposite direction from the original shrouds. (Both CD shrouds lay the same, I am unsure about both originals, its raining!)

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 15:07:17

"Does that mean it has been replaced sometime..."

Well, as far as the turnbuckles go, probably yes. Since they can be replaced independently of the shrouds themselves, IMHO there's no easy way of determining if you have newer shrouds or not.

I'm going to replace my standing rigging this spring, but will buy sta-lok (or similar) terminals and make my own. After reading some articles on standing rigging and stainless corrosion/stress failures this winter, I'm convinced that that's the best setup.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 18:04:33

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 I've seen people here and Catalina Direct refer to original equipment closed-body turnbuckles . . . My rigging has chromed bronze, open-body turnbuckles. Does that mean it has been replaced sometime during the life of the boat, or did Frank start (or stop) using them at some point?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The closed body turnbuckles I have referenced are the new style that come on the C250s (among others) which have a slotted bronze barrel with a polished stainless sleeve that slides over the barrel (an excellent upgrade BTW.)

OJ's original turnbuckles were the open style but made of stainlesss.

Edited by - OJ on 02/29/2004 18:10:25

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 18:40:22

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 My rigging has chromed bronze, open-body turnbuckles. Does that mean it has been replaced sometime during the life of the boat, or did Frank start (or stop) using them at some point?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Welcome back, Dave. Antares also has chromed bronze, open-body turnbuckles. The open-body turnbuckles are my preference, because just about anything I have handy can be used to adjust the tension. I believe the new closed-body turnbuckles require a wrench, but I may be wrong.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 20:43:43

Re: "The closed body turnbuckles I have referenced are the new style that come on the C250s (among others) which have a slotted bronze barrel with a polished stainless sleeve that slides over the barrel..."

For what it's worth, I'd describe those as bronze (at least I hope they're not brass) open body turnbuckles with a cosmetic cover. They have just about all the good features of traditional open bodies, and none of the undesirable characteristics of SS closed bodies. I was pleased to see they are standard equipment on a new Catalina 22 my neighbor just bought. My only nit picking objection is that I don't see how they could be configured jaw-jaw, or used with swageless terminals, because the cover has to slide up the wire to get access to the cotterpins.

-- Leon Sisson

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cshaw
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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 21:39:45

For what its worth, anyone with the older closed body turnbuckles that came with their older Cat 25s should really take a good look at them and consider replacing them. A couple of years ago I had one simply explode into two pieces! Fortunately it was on an aft lower (on the weather side). I replaced ALL Of them with chromed bronze open body models. Then I checked the bolts securing the upper shroud chainplates to the bulkheads, and one twisted in two!!! Needless to say EVERYTHING then got replaced!!!!

Bad thing was, if you simply "looked" at the hardware it looked just fine....... Not sure if there is an "age" you should replace things no matter what or not?

Chuck

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OJ
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Response Posted - 02/29/2004 : 21:56:59

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Leon Sisson

For what it's worth, I'd describe those as bronze (at least I hope they're not brass) open body turnbuckles with a cosmetic cover.-- Leon Sisson
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I guess I stand corrected . . . but now I'm not sure what a "closed body turnbuckle" looks like . . . are you refering to a tubular turnbuckle?

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