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laurann90740
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Initially Posted - 03/02/2004 : 22:51:50

We have a tandom kayak and have seen a rack that attaches to the rail. Does anyone know where to get one of these?

thanks,
Laura

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rford
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 07:42:36

I'm also a kayaker and belive something like this is probably custom fabricated for the sailer you saw it with. I don't know anything on the market like you describe, but I know a lot of creative sailers and kayakers who have fabricated racks as well as a few good stories ;).

If you can talk to the owner of the rack you saw it would help, but you may be able to look at the Yakima and/or Tule setups and make something work with what they already have. In thinking about this a little, I believe a C25 stanchions are about the same diameter as a Yakima system. So any of their accessories would most likely fit on the stanchions.

I would probably just lash the boat to the outside of the stanchions with a rope (in kayaking they are called ropes) or strap. Putting something like a kayak stacker (Yakima) on the stanchion may give you something to set it on.

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laurann90740
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 11:20:27

thanks for your input. I did speak with the sailor that had the rack and she called it a kayak rack and got it from a company in Ontario, CA for about $80.00. After I looked on line the only racks I could find were for cars and trucks. I've emailed acouple of dealers and asked their advise. I've received one reply suggesting a J Cradle with Wall mounts, but I'm not sure if the rack will stand up to the elements literally hanging over the water 24/7. Kids here in CA have surfboard/boogieboard holders on their bikes that may work also. I'm still checking, there must be an answer. I don't want to just use the ropes and hang it off the side because it will be knocking into the boat. The one I saw keeps it very snug and stationery. Thanks for your reply.
Laura

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Todd Frye
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 11:56:24

I would like to learn more about the kayaks everyone takes sailing. I have built a few Chesapeke Light Craft, stitch and glue 18' boats, but am now considering building a Baidarka. It would be nice to hear from all those who have kayaks and how they "rate" them as well as plus and minus attributes. Come on spring. Todd Frye

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 12:57:04

My tandem kayak fits nicely on the foredeck lashed to the pulpit up front and one of the forward lowers. The kayak is upside down and diagonal across the foredeck. Upside down, the smooth side allows the genoa to easily tack over it. The roller furling line runs under it and works with no problem. When we are approaching our destination, I untie it and slip it over the side. It tows nicely so long as you are under about 4 knots. You can tow it on the side our your boat or off the stern.

We also were able to deflate our dinghy, roll it up, and put it inside the kayak (upside down on the foredeck).

It's usually stored in the quarter berth but coming home from a week on Catalina it was too sandy and dirty to take inside.

I'm confident I could take major green water over the bow without dislodging the kayak.

I often store it mid week hanging off the starboard side of the boat, lifted out of the water, and lashed to the lifeline stanchions.

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cathluk
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 12:57:49

I'd also like to hear more about kayaks. I plan to rent a couple this summer from the place in Deltaville. It might be just the activity for those hot, windless August days when the only decent sailing is in the evening & we sleep at the marina with our air conditioner hooked up.

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rford
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 13:07:43

For racks check out the Mako Saddles by Yakima (www.yakima.com) may be just what you are looking for.

As for which kayaks to take sailing...

Kayaks are like golf clubs, they all have very different uses. And many kayakers have more than one. The best kind of kayak to take sailing all depends on where you are sailing and what you want to do with the kayak once you are out there.

I am a whitewater kayaker and usually just take along one of my whitewater boats to putz around the docks with. But if you want to paddle across the lake or ocean you need a different style.

For a lake, I'd recommend a sea kayak or recreational kayak. There are many manufacturers such as Wilderness Systems, Perception and Pyranha.

If you are on the ocean or similar body of water, I recommend a sea kayak. Same compaines make them, but you don't want a rec boat on that kind of water.

Several keys go into choosing a boat and they use terms like rocker, chines, volume, primary and secondary stability. For whitewater you want a lot of rocker to turn faster, for lakes and ocean you want to be able to paddle straight so you want longer (faster) with a keel and maybe a rudder.

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rford
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 14:03:13

In looking for a kayak for a widerange of uses that coordinate with my C25, I've been considering the Wilderness Systems Pimlico 145 (http://www.wildernesssystems.com/kayaks/recreational.php). It can be paddled solo or tandem and has a good weight/length for many uses.

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 21:00:11

Laura, check out Garhauer Marine in Corona:
http://garhauermarine.com/index.cfm
Click on catalog and you'll find this plus a picture. I have gone there myself several times to buy parts and they do build pretty good quality into their product.

Kayak Racks
KR-1 length: width:
weight: shackle:
Height is 27" Width is 14" OD is 1" Weight 1lb Kayak racks come in set of two

$85.00 Add to Cart

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laurann90740
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Response Posted - 03/03/2004 : 23:21:15

Gary and Susie thanks!
That was exactly what I was looking for. I didn't want to try to make something work. Thank you a hundred times.
Regards,
Laura

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Todd Frye
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Response Posted - 03/04/2004 : 18:52:26

Just a few more kayak sites, incase you were thinking of building your own. I found the "make it yourself" route extremely gratifying. It helped my whole approach to being careful and thorough on the C-25. Also taught me a lot about materials and how to use them (fiberglass, epoxy, varnish, marine enamel, etc,). Enjoy. Todd Frye

http://clcboats.com/
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/Building/FlexibleBaidarka/index.htm
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/Building/Guillemot/Guillemot.html

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John V.
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Response Posted - 03/06/2004 : 23:47:35

I saw a Kayak mounted outside the rail by being clipped by the bow and stern handles to stanchions. the Kayak hangs on the rail, but can be brought inboard in rough weather. I have two Kayaks one 12' and one 14'. in order to keep my wife coming out to cruise this summer I will be lashing the 12 footer to Nin Bimash at least for one week of cruising.

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Response Posted - 03/07/2004 : 09:24:26

How do you guys "saddle up" in a kayak from the high freeboard of a C-25? And how about the dismount? I have a sit-on-top that's very easy to get in and out of, but I can't picture doing it from the boat.

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rford
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Response Posted - 03/08/2004 : 00:21:50

"Saddling up" a kayak can be tricky sometimes. I do "saddle up" while in the water using a self-rescue technique as follows:

1 -- move to the stern of the kayak
2 -- while pulling the stern down and between your legs, lie on the boat
3 -- pull yourself up onto the kayak so that your straddling it.
4 -- quickly put both legs over into the boat at the same time to avoid tipping over

http://www.kayakforum.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/guille/wiki.pl?CowboyScramble

I've done it in still water as well as moving water and works well. Easier if someone is in the water holding onto the boat though.

You could also get into the kayak while its still on the boat and then slide into the water. Not sure what damage this would do to the fiberglass.

With any kayak its good to practice getting "self-rescue" techniques, you never know when you may find yourself upside down and washed out of the boat.

Sea Kayaking clubs can teach good self-rescue techniques for flat water paddling. If you need a club check out www.tvccpaddles.com or www.americanwhitewater.org.

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John V.
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Response Posted - 03/08/2004 : 08:50:51

I have to do a little dance on the swim ladder. The key thing is to put your butt in first. once I step in, I let myself down with one foot left in the water. When I am balanced I pull it in and paddle away. In reverse you have to pull yourself up on the swim ladder without putting unbalbnced weight on the Kayak. I've been swimming a few times trying this.

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 03/10/2004 : 12:13:06

The Garhauer racks look like they're just what I need. One concern is how the stanchion would hold up with these racks supporting 68 pounds of kayak.

Any concerns or issues to consider before I order?

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rford
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Response Posted - 03/11/2004 : 00:13:36

The weight of the boat is distributed across 2 stanchions ... so about 34 pounds for each of 2 stanchions. I'm no engineer but I would think that the stanchions should support this as long as there is no damage that would cause them to weaken where they attach to the boat.

However, I would probably attach my kayak (remember I paddle a whitewater boat that's much smaller) inside the stanchions so that it could also rest on the deck.

I would think you could also tow the kayak behind the C25 like a dingy.

I looked at the Garhauer racks on the website and I believe that the Yakima system may be a better option. The Mako Saddles would attach to the stanchions and keep the kayak secure. The Garhauer racks seemed to extend farther away from the sailboat, putting the weight of the kayak farther away from the strongest part of the stanchion.

Either way its probably a good idea to be sure to secure the kayak with the cockpit to the inside of the sailboat. Kayaks hold a lot of water and the additional weight could become a factor.

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 03/11/2004 : 11:16:33

We have the Ocean Kayak Aegean, it is a sit on top, no worries of taking on water.
We always tow it behind the boat.
The racks would primarily be useful in a slip or on the trailer(dry storage only, not driving down the road!) and when anchored out at night. Thanks for the input, I will look into the Mako saddles too.

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