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Shelby
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Initially Posted - 02/09/2002 : 18:40:16

Well, I gave up on the Volvo Penta inboard and went out today and ordered the Honda 9.9 long shaft outboard. Should take about 10-15 days to get here.

Now for the hard part. How tricky is it trying to install a motor mount on the transom? I would like

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 02/09/2002 : 18:51:44

Hope I am being helpful rather than obnoxious but you said "long shaft" are you sure thats the one you want...almost everyone goes for an extra long shaft. An 8 hp (same motor with rpm restrictor) could save you a few hundred. Even with the 8 hp...I nev

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Response Posted - 02/09/2002 : 18:55:08

Thanks Arlyn. I ordered the 25 inch shaft. Is that the one?

Shelby on "Third S" '82 C25 #3208 SKSR

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 02/09/2002 : 19:35:36

There's no 25" shaft on the Honda. The X (extra long) model is 27.7", and the L (long) is 22.2". If you got the L, change your order--do not pass Go, and if you want the $200, also change it to the 8. I ordered the BF8X to save a few boat units--my old

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Response Posted - 02/09/2002 : 22:25:43

I've been looking for a new motor mount for my boat. Garelick marine makes a mount that can hold up to 155lb and has 14 inchs of lift. It a little pricey at about $235 but I haven't found another mount that will hold a 4 stroke and has that much lift. Her

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Response Posted - 02/10/2002 : 00:24:12

Thanks for the warning Dave. When I purchased it he did say it was an extra long shaft, so I'm probably ok, although he wrote down what I said, which was 25 inches (also what another guy at the lake told me he had on the back of his C25). I will give him

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Response Posted - 02/11/2002 : 20:19:14

I confirmed it today. According to the Honda Catalog, the regular shaft is 15", long is 20" and the extra long is 25" on the 2002 Honda 9.9. The sales guy said that they use to make the 27", but went to the 25". This seemed to work ok for the other fello

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Response Posted - 02/12/2002 : 00:22:57

Well now I'm mystified... My Honda 2002 brochure says exactly what the Honda Marine Web site says--XL=27.7", L=22.2". Now I'll have to go over to the dealer and measure his XL display model so I know exactly what I'm dealing with when I mount the new br

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Response Posted - 02/12/2002 : 09:55:04

Is whats going on here that the industry standards for regular is 15", long 20" and xlong 25" and these serve as model indentifiers? In actuality, the spec numbers for Honda and perhaps some others are longer?

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224

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Response Posted - 02/12/2002 : 14:22:24

My 2001 Honda 9.9 XLS is definitly 28" long.

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Shelby
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Response Posted - 02/12/2002 : 19:31:58

Dave, you are correct again about the Honda Web site....boy I'm confused! Do you think that maybe they are taking the measurement from two different places on the engine. It appears to be two inches off from what the guy read to me out of the catalog. I w

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Response Posted - 02/13/2002 : 19:40:15

OK. Here is the answer and why it was so confusing. There is a 28" shaft, but it does not have electric start. The 25" inch shaft has electric start. The 25" is considered the longest you can get, according to the guy I talked to, that has electric start

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Response Posted - 02/13/2002 : 21:41:57

Hmmmmmmmm..... I don't think so, but we'll see... I'll measure an electric start model Saturday. I'm betting on 27.7". <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 02/14/2002 : 09:55:20

The salesmen is trying to draw rabbits out of the hat...with evidently no personal knowledge, is all over the place. The reality is, an extra long shaft in the industry is considered 25" (at least). So, if its longer than that like the Honda most defina

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Response Posted - 02/14/2002 : 19:57:06

How is shaft length measured? I've looked in my owner's manuel and can't find any specifics. Maybe some of the confusion on this thread is that folks are measuring from different points.

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Response Posted - 02/14/2002 : 20:39:44

Well personally I have never measured one and only repeating what the sales guy told me. To be truthful about it, I would believe most the folks on this Forum before I believe the sales guy. Alot of good knowledge!!

Shelby on "Third S" '82 C25 #3208 S

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 02/15/2002 : 08:31:58

Shaft length is the distance between the transom (or inside of the mount) to the cavitation plate.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224

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jm
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Response Posted - 02/15/2002 : 09:09:36

Arlyn - is that medical or mechanical terminology ?

(I sure hope if this thread is cross posted anywhere, it includes all posts from the very beginning - someone may hink they've signed up for the wrong 'forum'.. )

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Response Posted - 02/15/2002 : 10:03:10

Hasn't anyone else had a salesman give them some bad info and then fill the room with smoke when you found them out? <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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Response Posted - 02/18/2002 : 16:17:06

OK, in case size matters to anyone, a Stanley contractor's tape measure indicated 27.75" for the 2001-2 Honda 8/9.9 (same engine) Extra Long Shaft with electric starter. That means I'm getting a little over an inch per boat unit... or, it may explain wh

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Response Posted - 02/18/2002 : 18:09:41

SOOOOO we're back to that one hey Dave <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
O.K., I'll give one point... the water ballast works when heeling causes the weight of the ballast to rise above the level of the water outside of the boat...it is cr

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Response Posted - 02/18/2002 : 20:02:30

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...the water ballast works when heeling causes the weight of the ballast to rise above the level of the water outside of the boat...it is creating a righting moment then.
Val on the hard DAGNABIT
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Val, Val... WRONG!!!!! (But how co

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 02/19/2002 : 08:27:35

Wow...the w/b debate starting fresh...I'm ready <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224

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tinob
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Response Posted - 02/19/2002 : 08:51:15

Hi Arlyn,
This isn't the only water ballast problem facing me...Roto-Rooter just left me seven boat units lighter<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Val
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tinob
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Response Posted - 02/19/2002 : 09:03:18

"Wrong,wrong", and that's it. Doesn't force on the sail raise the ballasted water above the water outside the boat and when that force is removed the ballasted water returns to its original position. Same principal as a WINGIE ,just different materia

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Response Posted - 02/19/2002 : 15:02:41

You've got the idea, Val, with one exception: Where the ballast tank is relative to the waterline has nothing to do with it. To illustrate, if you place a X-gallon (you pick the size) container of water below the waterline in the bilge of a boat to the

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