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tgrass462
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Initially Posted - 03/31/2004 :  22:09:54  Show Profile
We are Catalina 22 owners in St. Louis who just entered into a contract to purchase a 1995 250 WB - contingent on the results of a survey.

We were both very excited until the survey came in. In addition to detailing the specifics of the boat (most of which we already knew) - the surveyor pointed out TWO items which are true concerns.

1. <b>There are 'cracks' apparent in the storage compartments below both port and starboard setee seats. </b> The cracks appear to be at the junction of the hull liner and the water tank. The surveyor did not think they were 'structural' in nature - all that was required was a good caulking job.

2. Under the cockpit, beneath the mattress, <b>there are shallow cracks in the gel coat that form a rectangle (~4 feet across the width by ~2 feet fore and aft). </b> They surround the access panel directly beneath the steps going to the cockpit.

Questions - Has anyone on the forum experienced such problems? Our primary concern is whether the integrity of the water tank has been compromised. Any ideas on how to determine this? Is this a deal killer?

Thanks all!

Tom Grass
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 03/31/2004 :  23:02:24  Show Profile  Visit Arlyn Stewart's Homepage
There has been at least one report of a crack in the berth liner... I don't remember the outcome but think the boat was yet under warrantee and Catalina was taking care of it.

Yours is the first report that I know of relating cracks in the seam between the ballast tank and the hull visible in the cabin lockers.

Is the ballast tank leaking?

There has been comments about a revision in the water ballast tank on very early hulls. If this boat has a low hull number, you might wish to call Catalina and discuss it with them. I've been on the board since my boat was ordered in dec of '95 and there hasn't been any discussion of ballast tank problems other than an occassional accidental drilling through the tank.

As the survey brought these matters out, you may wish to make a sea trial part of the deal now. This will let you know if the bilge is staying dry.

As far as the berth crack... that shouldn't be a big issue... simply feather the crack back and lay on a few layers of glass. It sounds like its all under the cushions so no big deal. Its the floor of the berth so a liner issue rather than the hull.

You might ask for enough reduction in the agreed price to pay for this repair or have the owner repair it prior to sale.
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/02/2004 :  16:21:21  Show Profile  Visit Oscar's Homepage
Is this a boat from the St. Louis sailing center? If so, you are not in bad hands. I forgot the owners name, but he was a decent guy. Tell him the guy that bought a 250 and just drove off with it says hi!!

I would like to see some pictures of the tank cracks......

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay in Venice Inlet, Florida USA.
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Keith D.
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Response Posted - 04/02/2004 :  19:14:07  Show Profile
I have a 1995-wb hull #8 and do not have any of the mentioned cracks. I am not sure where exactly you mean by between the hull liner and the water ballast tank. The only place the hull liner comes in contact with the ballast tank is around the center board trunk. At that point I have a large crack and it is of no concern. If you were talking about the hull and the ballast tank I would be concerned about a crack in that position. I would take the boat out and see if it leaks. The cracks under the birth mattress are just a liner issue and just cosmetic.
I have already checked with Kent at Catalina and he told me there was never a retrofit ballast compartment for the early hull numbers. The only retrofit was for the valve seals. Mine is the original tank with no recessed cavity under the v birth hatch and the tank vent is under the step. I am still waiting for a replay from Frank at Catalina as to if he will shoot me the front ΒΌ of the tank with the recess and the vent up front.
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/02/2004 :  23:37:05  Show Profile  Visit Oscar's Homepage
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I don't recommend that....... (Arlyn?)

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay in Venice Inlet, Florida USA.
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 :  12:39:53  Show Profile  Visit Arlyn Stewart's Homepage
Oscar,

Several years ago.
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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 :  14:33:00  Show Profile  Visit Oscar's Homepage
I meant the blooper page.....

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay in Venice Inlet, Florida USA.
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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 :  16:13:34  Show Profile  Visit Arlyn Stewart's Homepage
You caught me dim witted for sure...done.
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