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atgep
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Initially Posted - 04/04/2004 :  18:17:21  Show Profile
I am looking to purchase a new headsail. I have decided on a 135 as any racing I do will be for fun. I have a furler and would like any recomendations or warnings about certain brands. It must be affordable. I am considering Catalina Direct, Cruising Direct, and another Rolly Tasker Sail. I will be willing to spend a little more for a better sail but there is a limit. Also, is the foam luff option worth it? Thanks everyone. Tom.

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Chip Hunt
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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 :  18:52:08  Show Profile
i have a 135 made by UK on a harken furler. i do have a foam luff. i could not be happier with sail. i do have a tall rig, and i am glad that i did not get the 150.

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Response Posted - 04/04/2004 :  18:56:47  Show Profile
you can get a good look at it by clicking the hossbo sailing pics link at the bottom of my sig. if you look at the sail at the furling point, you will see that it has a vertical black strip that serves as an indicator for reefing. being reefed at that strip reduces the 135 to about 110.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/05/2004 :  11:16:19  Show Profile  Visit Douglas's Homepage
I too have roller furling. When I took my sails into the loft I asked about foam luff. The sailmaker said they are nice untill they age a bit and either take a set or begin to deteriorate.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 04/05/2004 :  19:16:36  Show Profile
Thanks, I guess everything is better till it ages and takes a set!

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Response Posted - 04/05/2004 :  21:41:31  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by atgep</i>
<br />Thanks, I guess everything is better till it ages and takes a set!
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You got that right! What do you furling guys have to say about Sunbrella strips on the sail--does anyone have a compelling reason not to have one? I don't race, don't have a spin-halyard for a sock, and will need to replace my sail one of these days. It has a treated dacron strip that has deteriorated more rapidly than I would've hoped. Strip replacement costs almost as much as a new sail.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 :  06:23:45  Show Profile
I bought an off the shelf 135 Ullman sail for my tall rig and Schaefer roller furler. It is built quite well, (it is built for San Francisco bay conditions) includes a foam luff, telltales, storage bag. It was about 740 bucks or something like that. Purchased thru Catalina Direct. I would but direct from Gary Swenson next time as CD added a big logo of theirs to the Ullman logo. I'm not a big fan of having advertisements added to things.
Good luck, and let us know what you are going to purchase.
I wish it was cut a few inches shorter though so I could raise my furling drum to clear the anchor. I talked to Gary Swenson and he said that he could cut it down with no problem. A task for this coming winter lay up.

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 :  15:09:02  Show Profile
Frank,

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I'm not a big fan of having advertisements added to things.
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Nor am I, but on the local news this morning I heard that mlb is considering having logas on ball players uniforms. IMHO that will look very tacky!

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osmepneo
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 :  15:12:48  Show Profile
I have a 155, recut for my cdi furler. I think I'm glad to have the size, and haven't noticed significant dysfunction when I furl when I'm over powered. If I were getting a new sail, probably in a year or two, I'd do another 150-155. The sail I have is a Neil Pryde, and quality is excellant.

My reason for going to 150 - 155 is that if have it you can use, but if you don't you can't. Seems kinda obvious, but it works for me.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 :  16:18:13  Show Profile
I agree with Don P. on this one! You can always shorten sail - but you can't increase it beyond your sail size. If you race PHRF, or one design, the guys with 150 - 155% genoas will run all over you.
Especially in light air, the 155% is a blessing
Derek

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 :  16:28:40  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Derek Crawford</i>
<br />I agree with Don P. on this one! You can always shorten sail - but you can't increase it beyond your sail size. If you race PHRF, or one design, the guys with 150 - 155% genoas will run all over you.
Especially in light air, the 155% is a blessing
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Count me for being in agreement to Derek and Don as well. Especially with a roller furler, theres really no extra work on your part.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 :  16:57:55  Show Profile
Tom, I hate giving advice to anyone who just might beat me in a race, but Don, and Derek are correct. Your C25 can easily carry a 150 and with the roller the need to purchase a smaller sail for high wind conditions is pasda-non-grada. Penny came to me with a 110 and worn out mylar 150. I had a local sail maker make me a new dacron 150 with eyes in it for better forward visibility. If you have a new one made get the eyes in it, they do make a difference. If PennyII could carry a 150 I would have ordered it.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 :  19:17:18  Show Profile
For those suggesting Tom should go for the 155, keep in mind that in an earlier thread he indicated he was looking for the best "all around" sized sail and that racing wasn't his primary reason for getting a new headsail. Besides if racing was his primary motivation, I doubt that he would install a furler. Additionally, keep in mind that his sailing area may have higher average winds than your sailing area, and what works for you may not work for him. Personally, I would not get a roller furling 155 where I sail because I would be over-canvassed the vast majority of the time.

It has been my experience that roller reefing a headsail is ineffective at best. When I start roller reefing my standard luff 135, it immediately starts to bag out at the center of the luff creating a fuller sail which throws my pointing ability out the window. It is actually better for me to carry a depowered 135 than it is for me to reef to a fuller 110. I would have to assume that roller reefing a 155 can't be any better.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 :  09:23:21  Show Profile
I agree with Don. The 135 is a great all purpose sail. In strong winds, when the people flying 155s are thinking about reducing sail area, but they don't want to reduce all the way to a 110, the 135 will have a sail area advantage, because it will out-foot and out-point the overpowered 155s. If you race in light air, the 135 will have a disadvantage. If you keep your bottom cleaner than the others, by scrubbing it before each race, the clean bottom will more than make up for the difference in sail area. (In highly competitive racing, all the boats race with clean bottoms, but that's not so in most club racing.) For all-around sailing purposes, the 135 is really an ideal sail size. It's easier to tack if you're short-handed, it furls more smoothly, and it generates nearly as much power in most circumstances as a 155.

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