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lancea
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Initially Posted - 04/06/2004 : 06:32:06

I have some questions that I hope some of you will answer. Does the c25 swing have a keel setup similiar to the c22(I have a 73') If so how heavy is the keel. How is the water ballast 250 setup. Is it a daggerboard? If anyone has a site where I could learn all of this that would be great to.
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Lance

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 : 08:05:24

The C-25 swing keel weighs 1500#, about 3X heavier than the C-22 keel. The C-250WB keel is a swinger, not a daggerboard

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 : 11:08:56

The 250WB has, as the name implies, it's ballast in the form of water. The double bottom takes on 1200-1400 (the exact # remains unknown) pounds of water, to contribute towards the righting moment.

As far as the foil, it is a pivoting centerboard, made out of fibreglass, like the rudder. It is attached similarly to the 25 (and probably the 22 although I'm not familiar with the 22) with two U-brackets. It uses a pully system under the companion way , with the bitter end led into the cockpit for ease of operation. The draft is around 2' board up, 6' board down.

Finally, the exact weight of the CB is unknown, but with a 90 pound weight built into the bottom to counteract buoyancy, I estimate it at 150 or so poounds.

Oscar
250WB#618 Lady Kay in Venice Inlet, Florida USA.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/06/2004 : 20:57:42

Welcome Lance... A good place to start checking out the two boats is the home site for this organization: http://www.catalina25-250.org/

You'll find brochures and manuals for both the C-25 and C-250, and you can peruse the photos and tech tips for both.

As indicated above, the C-25 swing keel is similar in concept to the C-22's, while the C-250WB has a centerboard with just enough weight to keep it down. The 25 is therefore stiffer, but 1500# is a lot of cast iron, and makes maintenance both more complicated and more critical. You might notice in the brochure spec sheet pages that the later model wing keel is only a couple of inches deeper than the fully raised swing keel, so the difference for trailering should be negligible. The swinger, however, presumably points better on the race course--probably even a little better than the fin.

What's your interest? Racing? Cruising? A bargain? A trailerable? A slip or mooring?

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lancea
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 07:57:18

Thank you all,
I currently sail C22#2367. I would classify myself as a trailer sailin' cruiser, but that does'nt mean that I don't like to sail well. My family (wife and two small girls) have shown a growing desire to spend more time on the boat. Last year we did several weekend jaunts on lakes. As anyone with girls know there is no such thing as too comfortable. Even though the c22 is great for me and my buddies to get a sailing fix. It is a little cramped and the lack of a proper head cannot be discounted. I have begun looking into the larger trailerable catalinas. We like to go ashore for picnics and hiking so draft is high on my list. My c22 draft is 24" and we find that can be difficult. I would love to go with a shallower draft. At the same time I want a boat that does sail well. I plan on joining the Homer Yacht Club this year and would like to at least be competitive at the regattas. I am interested in the draft of the 250 WB but have concerns about this whole water ballast thing. At the same time a 1500# chunk of metal on a hinge would take some getting used to. Also, even our best roads up here are quite rough so the light weight of a wb is attractive. Does it slosh? How well does it point? This cuts into interior space some. Is it noticable? That is all I can think of for now.
Thank You all for your assistance
Lance Anderson
Kenai, Alaska

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 08:19:34

Lance,

Some of your questions may be answered here.

[url="http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/trailercruiser.html"]Letter to Rik[/url]

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lancea
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 21:50:25

Absolutely super!!!
Thanks
I just got solb on a 250wb
I need to find one now. I'm in Alaska so used ...well any...sailboat aquisition requires diligence and patience. It took me 2 1/2 years to find my C22 swinger. And even then, on a country drive oneday, I happened to catch a glimpse of it in a barn were someone had the door open. Took two months to close the deal.
So now I have a couple of questions regarding plumbing.
Do I want a holding tank? I have never dealt with one in a boat before. How do you empty them?
Is the setup in the 250wb well designed, easily mainained and reliable?

Thank YOu,
Lance Anderson
Kenai, Alaska

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 22:08:37

lancea, there's a Catalina 250 specific forum on this site where I'm sure you'll get plenty of answers from owners to any questions regarding the 250. Good luck.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/07/2004 : 22:49:16

"Does the WB tank slosh?" If it does, you're in trouble. The tank MUST be absolutely full--otherwise, it will destabilize the boat by allowing more water on the low side than the high side.

Holding tanks? You don't want one if you don't have pump-out facilities available. Have you used a porta-potti? The large (5 gallon) ones are pretty good solutions for weekending, and not nearly as objectionable to dump and clean as you might think. They eliminate a substantial number of plumbing and maintenance issues, and can even be "plumbed in" to a deck pump-out plate if you want.

You're on the right track--the C-250 has no real peers in the trailerable market.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/07/2004 22:50:15

lancea
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Response Posted - 04/08/2004 : 00:17:25

Thanks guys
I'll take the rest of this over to the 250 area
Lance

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