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boat25
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Initially Posted - 04/19/2004 : 09:58:39

Hi all,

I would like to know, from what year C-25 started coming out with TITLE, instead of registration being only document of ownership?

Thank you.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 04/19/2004 : 10:52:16

That's a matter that is controlled by state law. Therefore, the specifics can differ from state-to-state. To the best of my recollection (which is hazy after 20+ years), when I bought my boat from a Florida Catalina dealer, I received a bill of sale, which is really just a glorified receipt. When I brought the boat home to Ohio, I presented the bill of sale to the State registrar, who issued me an Ohio certificate of title. I also registered it in Ohio. Because I have been actually using it in Indiana the vast majority of the time, the State of Indiana has required that I have it titled and registered in Indiana, and has required that I pay an annual Indiana personal property tax on the boat.

In Ohio (as I believe is true in most states), boats less than a certain length are not required to be titled. When you sell the boat, you just provide a bill of sale to the buyer.

In Ohio, boats that are big enough to be titled have been required to be titled for as long as I can remember. I believe that is true in most states.

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 04/19/2004 : 10:55:29

Actually, title requirements are determined by state legislatures not the manufacturer. And, they vary considerably. Some states have required a title on boats since the sixties. Others still don't require a title if you are the original owner.

For instance, I ordered Snickerdoodle in the fall of 1984 and took delivery in Idaho in the spring of 1985. Idaho did not require a title then. So, Snickerdoodle has never had a title. How can I prove ownership or transfer ownership to a subsequent owner? Manufacturers ship the boats with a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO). The MSO transferes ownership from the manufacturer to the dealer. The dealer "signs off" on the MSO when the title is applied for. In my case, the dealer "signed off" on Snickerdoodle's MSO to me - the new owner. If I ever sell Snickerdoodle, I'll "sign off" on the MSO and the new owner will then have to apply for a title.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Raskal
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Response Posted - 04/19/2004 : 11:26:19

In addition what Bill and Steve have said there is also the separate channel of registration done by the US Coast Guard. Most owners of mid-to larger size yachts in my part of the country pay the $400 to get Coast Guard registration so that they won't be required to put unsightly number decals on their bow; they put up plaques with the Coast Guard number inside the boat. Having Coast Guard registration usually doesn't exempt you from state registration (except in Alaska); your state would probably make you do all of their paperwork, pay all of their fees and taxes, and then you just put away their numbers and decals because you have your Coast Guard number.

It may also be worth knowing, since I encountered this when I bought my newest boat, that some states (such as Connecticut) won't accept the Coast Guard "Bill of Sale" form because it doesn't show the purchase price. You may have to present the seller with more documents to sign when you get them from your State's Motor Vehicle department (or whatever agency does boat registration).

Rich Kokoska

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 04/19/2004 : 12:44:05

Boat25 (do you have a name?),

Checking your profile, I'm assuming you are from New York...and if so, the following information is from the [url="http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/dmvfaqs.htm#BOATS"]New York DMV FAQ's on Boats[/url]

Boats
Does my boat require a registration?

The law requires you to register any boat that is motor-driven and is operated on public waterways in NYS. The boat requires a registration even if the motor is not the primary source of propulsion. If you operate the boat in NYS, you must register the boat with the DMV. After you register your boat, you receive a registration certificate that indicates the registration number assigned to your boat and a set of registration stickers.

You must paint or attach the registration number to each side of the bow of the boat. The characters must be:

block letters not less than three inches high,
a color different from the hull and easy to see,
legible from 100 ft. away during the daylight hours,
the only number on the front half of your boat.
You cannot transfer the registration number to another boat.

The registration sticker shows the month and the year that the registration expires. Attach each sticker in line with the registration numbers on each side of the hull, and three inches toward the stern of the boat.

What if my boat is documented by the US Coast Guard?

You must register the boat in NYS if:

the boat is not used for commercial purposes in NYS, and
the boat will be used on public waterways in NYS for 90 or more consecutive days.
See the information about boat registration requirements. You need Adobe Acrobat Reader®. If you do not have Adobe Acrobat Reader®, see these instructions.
If you boat was documented by US Coast Guard, you do not receive a NYS registration number. You receive NYS registration stickers only. Attach the stickers in the position where the registration numbers are normally located.

How do I get a hull identification number (HIN)?

If you have a boat that does not have a hull identification number (HIN), you must get one before you can register the boat if:

you made the boat
you got a boat that was manufactured after November 1, 1972.
You can get an application form from the DMV or from the NYS Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation (OPRHP). Send the completed form to the OPRHP. The OPRHP arranges your boat inspection for you. Visit the OPRHP web site section on boats.

Do boats require title certificates?

The DMV issues title certificates for boats that are:

model year 1987 and newer,
at least 14 ft. long, and
registered in New York State.
The title certificate is used for proof of ownership for these boats instead of the registration. Title certificates are not issued for boats that do not match the description above or for boats registered with the Coast Guard. For a boat that does not receive a title certificate, the transferable registration is proof of ownership.

How do I register my boat?

See the information about boat registration requirements. You need Adobe Acrobat Reader®. If you do not have Adobe Acrobat Reader®, see these instructions.

To register your boat, bring the following items to a DMV office:

Complete form MV-82-B (Boat Registration / Title Application).
Complete form DTF-802 (Statement of Transaction for Sales Tax) or proof of exemption or tax paid. See the sales tax information for additional information. The requirements and forms for boats are the same as those for motor vehicles.
The proof of ownership listed in the boat registration requirements document.
Proof of identity and date of birth.
Cash, check or credit card for the fee.
Remember that if you have a boat trailer you must register the trailer. See the instructions to register a vehicle.

What is the cost of a boat registration?

Boat registrations are issued for three years. There is a registration fee and a surcharge for boating safety. The fees and surcharges are calculated from the length of the boat as follows:

Less than 16 feet - $18.00 registration fee and $3.00 surcharge ($21.00 total).
16 feet to less than 26 feet - $36.00 registration fee and $10.00 surcharge ($46.00 total).
26 feet or longer - $60.00 registration fee and $15.00 surcharge ($75.00 total).
How do I renew my boat registration?

You cannot renew a boat registration on-line. Use your renewal notice to renew by mail. If you do not have a renewal notice, apply for the renewal with form MV-82B or visit your local DMV office.

Is it against the law to operate a boat under the influence of drugs or alcohol?

Yes. New York State has laws that prohibit the operation of a boat while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. More information is available from the NYS Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation. On April 1, 1999, the Zero Tolerance Law for vessel operators became effective.

How can I find more information about boating laws and boating safety?

The New York State Boater's Guide is available from the DMV, the NYS Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, or the NYS Canal Corporation. This handbook contains information about registration, operation and safety. Go to the NYS Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation web site to get information about the operation of a vessel or recreational vehicle in NYS.

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boat25
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Response Posted - 04/19/2004 : 13:18:35

Hi,

THANK YOU all so very much for the info.,
and yes, I have a name...
My name is George.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/19/2004 : 14:40:58

Rich -
I think you are referring to having your vessel Documented by the coast guard. Unfortunately, we don’t have enough weight to do so – Take a look at this link for more info, including the benefits of documenting.

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0BQK/1_6/69233945/p1/article.jhtml

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Raskal
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Response Posted - 04/19/2004 : 17:53:42

Duane, it was very convenient that you provided that--my new boat has registration numbers and I was going to start looking this stuff up!

I noticed right away that the article mentions "5 net tons" as the bottom limit of eligibility, but since my new boat only weighs 7500 pounds and has been documented previously I wondered how that could be. It turns out that

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">"Net tonnage is a measure of a vessel's volume. It should not be confused with the vessel's weight, which may also be expressed in tons. Most vessels more than 25 feet in length will measure five net tons or more. For information about how tonnage is determined, including a web-based interactive form that calculates tonnages, visit the U.S. Coast Guard Marine Safety Center's web site at the Marine Safety Center's Tonnage Page [http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc/t3.htm]".<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

So it sounds like they do a calculation of potential volume based on dimensions. I don't know who would do that with a C25 but C27's which are almost the same hull are being used for international cruising as "pocket cruisers"...

Rich Kokoska

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