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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 04/21/2004 : 00:45:50

Yes Mike sold the boat. He would not tell me the closing price. The guy paid cash, as is, with no sea trial, no survey, did not run the engine, never raised the sails. And he doesn't know anything about sailing (I offered a lesson on my boat).

Dave is the new guy. He is taking boat tomorrow (paid today - personal check) and trying to keep the slip.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 04/21/2004 : 08:30:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 The guy paid cash, as is, with no sea trial, no survey, did not run the engine, never raised the sails. And he doesn't know anything about sailing (I offered a lesson on my boat).
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The buyer is sure a trusting guy! I would never buy a used boat of this size, or any boat with an inboard diesel, without a surveyor or diesel mechanic checking out the engine. The engine and transmission in a C-30 would likely cost at leat $10K to replace if it went out.

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mmac
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Response Posted - 04/21/2004 : 08:53:36

Jim.
Didn't you say the engine on that boat needed work? It looks good sitting at the dock, but the new guy is going to be sorry he didn't get a survey.

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 04/21/2004 : 12:39:05

Is the new owner planning to live aboard also?
Maybe he got a smoking deal and is just planning to be a dock ornament.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/21/2004 : 12:51:41

The engine runs, but has bad vibration when going forward. Probably due to a misalignment or bent shaft. Both problems can lead to a worn cutlass bearing and leaking stuffing box. Neither is enough to kill the deal, the boat should be hauled and the problems fixed.

Both parties are showing a lot more trust than I would in a similar situation - no survey/sea trial and taking a personal check. Plus signing over the papers before the check clears. I told Mike to go the bank and ask to have the funds verified and get immediate credit.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/21/2004 : 12:53:38

Oh yeah, the new guy is not going to live aboard. The marina has been getting rid of all the illegal liveaboards. In a way its too bad, all the usual dock characters are gone and now its like a regular marina where you don't ever see anyone and you don't know everyone.

BTW Mike has to report for his new job in Oakland May 4 so he was under some pressure to sell.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/22/2004 : 13:04:49

I was helping David, the new guy, last night. The engine died while coming down the fairway and would not restart. It needs to be bled. David doesn't know how to do it, so I showed him. I found that the fuel line between the lift pump and the injector pump was just a rubber tube stuck on the hose barbs with no clamps. It's very loose. That's probably the source of the air leak. Everything else looked good, just a little salt weeping from the head gasket, no rust on this saltwater cooled engine.

I am impressed with the amount of engine access Catalina has provided. I thought the engine would be in the quarter berth but it is in the main salon in a box between the galley and salon bed/table. With hatches on each side and top, you can reach almost everything on this bone simple 1 cylinder Yanmar.

It makes a serious amount of noise in the cabin, though. No soundproofing in that box.

Have not checked the stuffing box and access to it, yet. The bilge is dry, though so it's probably OK for now.

No priming pump, you have to crank the engine to bleed. That is a bit of a problem but once we get the air leak fixed David should not be bleeding much.

Still a serious amount of vibration, which the seller said was prop cavitation (not). Probably needs engine alignment and a new cutlass bearing. Maybe shaft straightening. Unless the prop is all bent but I doubt that (on a boat that sat unused for years).

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/22/2004 : 23:47:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In a way its too bad, all the usual dock characters are gone and now its like a regular marina where you don't ever see anyone and you don't know everyone.
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Right you are, Jim

. We'll miss those "characters" that have been a part of the dock scene since I got there. Speaking of not ever seeing anyone, I will return to the dock Saturday, most likely with my wonderful wife, Susie, for some sailing. I have been extremely busy at school and with the two science teams I am coaching. May 1, May 8, and the weekend of May 22, 23, 24 are spoken for by these competitions.

Next year will be different.....

no more volunteering.

Will be interesting to talk to this new guy, Dave, about sailing that big 30 footer. We'll have to take the boat out and show him how to sail, right

See ya. Maybe other Fleet 7 people will be there, too?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/23/2004 : 01:09:33

I got the motor running tonight. The engine itself vibrates very bad - maybe a broken motor mount, have to investigate.

Yeah, I am looking forward to sailing the C30, trying it out.

See you this weekend.

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 04/23/2004 : 11:40:47

Unless there is a sudden change in plans Mo and I will drive over tonight. We will be bringing our gear to give the hull a scrub, I want to see first hand how much growth there is.

Is there any plan to step the mast on Mara? Should I bring my mast crutch?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/23/2004 : 13:02:19

Doug - Oh yeah, I forgot that you guys were divers.

Let me email Mike and see what his plans are. I suppose it wouldn't hurt to throw in the crutch. I can always take it home with me for a week if Mike is not ready.

I'm still planning to leave early and head out tonight to catch photos of some of the Newport - Ensenada racers.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/23/2004 : 16:56:05

Jim,

What year is the 30? Before "the grid" the motor mounts were lag bolted into 4x4's which in turn were glassed into the hull. When I bought my ten year old 30 back in '91 it did the same, shake like crazy. (It was fun to watch the mast do a sine-wave like a limp noodle). Surveyor found the 4x4's to have broken loose....a little stingy on the resin during manufacture.

Yard estimate $2500.00, it came right off the purchase price

. A week of labor and $200.00 in west system goodies and I was back in business. (It's real easy to get the motor out of the way, 4x4 with a come-along over the hatch, hoist it up, put two 2x4's under it, slide it out of the way, do the glass work, and replace in reverse order.)

If the above is the case, you can stand over the motor, go HAAAAHHHH

and lift it up and move it side to side.....

Oscar. on the road.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/23/2004 : 18:08:44

I think the boat is a 79. The motor shakes so much even just in neutral it looks like it is going to climb out of the motor box.

I'll look at it real close this weekend. Only just had time to get it running yesterday.

Even though the C30 is large inside and this 1 cylinder motor is simple - it makes me REALLY appreciate my C25 and Honda 8HP OB.

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 04/23/2004 : 19:33:55

A 79 would meet my description.....willing to bet a dollar I'm right....especially with a single jug, bouncy to begin with, many years of tugging on those 4x4's....

Oscar, on the road.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/24/2004 : 22:12:45

after I got it running, he left it at idle for about 30 minutes. Then it made a BIG noise, and halted in a cloud of black smoke. Now won't turn over (makes a loud noise). Possible broken rod or stuck valve. It's beyond my skills. Seller offered to meet him 1/2 way on the price of the repairs.

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mmac
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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 08:46:07

Doug,
The Admiral hasn't told me what my plans are this weekend, but hopefully I can get in some boat work. I'd like to get the mast completely off the boat and clean it up. I'm ready for that thanks to the recent thread on mast cleaning-isn't this forum great? I still have to run new wire to the masthead and install the anchor light. I doubt that I'll be ready for a mast raising party this weekend.
Mike

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 22:36:05

Mike, I'll keep checking back to see when you will raise your mast. I'll gladly help when you do. I have an A-frame ready if needed but between you, Jim, and I, we can probably just lift it...quicker.

All you Fleet 7 people: Lets make May 15th a target date for a Fleet 7 Challenge Race, first of our new fleet. Ocean or bay or a combination longer race, set a course and go for it. We need PRACTICE for the Memorial Day National Challenge Race, right??

So Jim (he's always ready and has the most sailing time so far), Mike (get the mast up

), Ray (is it clean enough yet??

), and Doug & Mo (what WERE you dragging? Or was it "heavy" sails? Or was it that you and Mo had the drinking light on

? Or do you need Jim to give you a few gold-plated lessons?

) it is now time to put the boats on the line, your money on the table and RACE!!!!!

FYI, being the acting commode-door and current race chairman, I can set up races even if I don't win. (HaHa

HaHa)

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 12:41:51

Gary,
You may have noticed that Mo and I are not much for racing and we tend more towards the cruising mode.

All that heeling keeps spilling our wine and it's hard to make popcorn with the microwave sliding around.

We were dragging a little seaweed but I doubt that was the difference. I expect that some investigation will find that our 14 year old sails are not up to the racing task. I don't think I could sheet the the genoa in much tighter as I kept backwinding the main. Maybe a combo of car, backstay, and sheet adjustments might help some (guess I'll have to pay a little more attention to the telltales on the jib). Or maybe a new helmsman...

Of course maybe if the fleet commode-door came to the marina a little more often we could benefit from his wisdom....

We won't be able to come out and play on the 15th.. we will be in Mexico that weekend.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 14:05:55

I'll post the photos soon, but your genoa looked very baggy and maybe blown out. Possibly the genoa cars were too far forward. You have the same roller as Gary, you can hank on his 110 or 150 someday, try it out. But you were going 3 and we 5+. That's a huge difference. Not just tweaking the outhaul or backstay is going to make that up.

It's OK, we'll plan some cruising. Lets take a weekend in San Diego Bay or at Oceanside Harbor. I could look into guest slips in San Diego or we can anchor. Being in Shelter Island or over in Glorietta Bay by the Hotel Del would be fun.

Joes old hard dinghy is now mine, so I have a 2 man (dry) kayak, nice hard dinghy, and inflatable dinghy with an outboard. Enough water transport for all of us. Hard dinghy has to be towed.

When do you want to try it? Leave early some Saturday, return by Sunday noon.

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/29/2004 : 23:20:46

Cruise sounds good, possibly for that weekend of May 15, 16, instead of a fleet race...only if no one else wants to race, that is.

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Doug C.
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Response Posted - 04/30/2004 : 11:39:33

Cruises and such....

We won't be over this weekend. Looks like I'll be doing some water heater work.

So this will be a 'chores' weekend.

Will probably be there 5/8 - 5/9 weekend.

5/15 we will be in Mexico. 5/22 and 5/29 are possibilities. The weekend of 6/5 we will pull the boat out early on Sunday to take it to the B.E.E.R. event on 6/12. We will be bring it back the weekend of 6/19 or 6/26. 7/3 - 7/17 are possibilities. 7/24 and 7/31 we will be riding the RAGBRAI in Iowa. That's our schedule for the next three months.

What are Memorial day and July 4th like in Mission Bay? Too crazy?

We're up for just about anything on the weekends we'll be over. Could probably do a 3 dayer in there somewhere. Racing is always an option as long as there are prizes for last....

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