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Sid
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Initially Posted - 04/27/2004 : 11:11:10

What is the rated capacity of a C25? I know newer boats have USCG placards stating weight/# of people but my C25 doesn't. I searched through the manual and brochure but couldn't find it.
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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 11:29:54

Adults? Realistically?

Drinks six, eats four, sleeps two. I think the most I ever had onboard sailing was five, and it was pretty crowded. . . for me. I find the C25 perfect for a couple, but four people can manage fine. You can sleep four if two of them are children.

"Rated capacity" is pretty meaningless compared to comfort.

Brooke

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 11:35:03

Hi Sid,

I seem to recall that there is a formula, and I think Duane Wolfe was the one who posted it when this question came up before. I don't remember the formula, but I think the result for our boats was about 13.

Obviously, 13 people is too many to be comfortable, or safe for that matter. Anyway, maybe Duane (or someone else) will know the "book" answer.

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 11:43:16

This question came up before, and my recollection is that the maximum load-carrying capacity is about 13 people, but the safety of carrying that many people depends on how the weight is distributed and the conditions of the wind and seas. I've sailed with 13 adults on my C25 without the least instability. I once had 24 adults on my old C-22, but we just ferried them across a very calm 50 foot wide channel. It wasn't the smartest thing I ever did.

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 12:18:43

I usually sail with 3-4 adults, but a group from work is heading to the lake with me next week. I don't think I'll have 13 on her, but wanted to be sure I didn't exceed a safety margin or risk being cited by the local law enforcement (though I doubt they know the actual rating either). We'll most likely sail out, anchor for lunch, then sail back in. All this is on an inland lake and will only take place in good weather.

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 12:55:07

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sid
 What is the rated capacity of a C25? I know newer boats have USCG placards stating weight/# of people but my C25 doesn't...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I believe the reason your boat does not have a placard stating the maximum number of people is because the federal regulation for boat capacity doesn't apply to sailboats, but to flat bottomed motorized (primary means of propulsion) boats of 20 ft or less.

The number "13" stated above is from the formula for a flat bottomed outboard driven boat, which is boat length X boat width divided by 15.

Check out this [url="http://www.boatsafe.com/kids/599kidsques.htm"]Boatsafe Article on Capacity[/url]

This is the [url="http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder/safeloading/safeloading.htm"]US Coast Guard Safeloading for Boatbuilders[/url] link.

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 13:02:47

... a group from work is heading to the lake with me next week. I don't think I'll have 13 on her, but wanted to be sure I didn't exceed a safety margin or risk being cited by the local law enforcement - Sid

Hi Sid,

If you're not going to float a whole army, your biggest concern will be to make sure you have enough PFDs on board. The locals stopped Jerry Deckert on Canyon Lake a while back ... they made him dig out all of his PFDs and counted to make sure that he had one for everyone aboard.

If you don't already have a place planned to anchor, the mooring balls over by Canyon Lake Marina are nice ... there are seven of them (I think).

Have fun!

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 13:59:48

Buzz - the capacity was 13 based on the same equation in Don "Commander Link" Lucier's first link above. I wouldn't actually sail with any more than 8. I've motored around with as many as 13 (I think...I just remember the boat was full, might have been 12??) and have had cocktails at the dock with over 15.
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> I believe the reason your boat does not have a placard stating the maximum number of people is because the federal regulation for boat capacity doesn't apply to sailboats, but to flat bottomed motorized (primary means of propulsion) boats of 20 ft or less.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Hmmm I always thought that it wasn't required back in the days when they actually had milk men...I mean when they actually built our antiques...

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 15:23:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Buzz Maring
 If you're not going to float a whole army, your biggest concern will be to make sure you have enough PFDs on board.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
A guy at our marina had a float party on his boat one night. He showed up with two five-packs of PFDs he'd bought at Wal-Mart; returned them unopened for a credit the next day.

Not that I agree with that sort of thing, or am in anyway suggesting that as a possible solution.

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 15:31:29

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Buzz Maring
 If you're not going to float a whole army, your biggest concern will be to make sure you have enough PFDs on board.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
A guy at our marina had a float party on his boat one night. He showed up with two five-packs of PFDs he'd bought at Wal-Mart; returned them unopened for a credit the next day.

Not that I agree with that sort of thing, or am in anyway suggesting that as a possible solution.
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I have around 16 PFDs of various sizes aboard North Star.

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 16:01:40

Buzz,
I usually carry 8 PFDs on the boat, three jackets and four oranges, plus 1 child's jacket. I was inspected on Canyon last year for the whole list and had to put jackets on for fit. More of a pain than anything else.
Is there a charge for the mooring balls near CLM? That may be a possibility. Probably easier than anchoring out with an inexperienced crew. However, a less open cove may avoid some boardings and inspections.

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 18:02:26

... Is there a charge for the mooring balls near CLM? That may be a possibility. Probably easier than anchoring out with an inexperienced crew. However, a less open cove may avoid some boardings and inspections. - Sid

Hi Sid,

Technically, since your slip is at the Ft. Sam Marina, I think CLM is supposed to charge you something, but I'm not sure. However, as many times as I've been out there, and as many times as I've seen other boats tied up out there, I've never seen anyone get boarded, and I've never heard of the CLM staff going out there to check on anyone.

If Derek (or Steve or Bren) sees this thread, maybe he can clear that up ... if not, you could send him (them) an email to ask about it. I really think the CLM staff doesn't care, and they're too busy (translation = lazy) to do anything about it anyway.

I really enjoy tying up out there ... I hope it works out for y'all.

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Response Posted - 04/27/2004 : 18:10:49

Buzz - I sent Sid an e-m telling him the good anchor spots.
Derek

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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 08:38:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Steve Milby
 I once had 24 adults on my old C-22, but we just ferried them across a very calm 50 foot wide channel. It wasn't the smartest thing I ever did.

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Sounds like those old contests to see how many college students can you stuff into a phone booth or a Volkswagen Beetle. I used to own a C-22, and can't picture where you could possibly have put 24 people, unless you stacked them like cordwood, put some in the lazarette, and others in the under-the-V-berth storage! With that many people aboard, the waterline must have been only a couple of inches below the rub rail!

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Response Posted - 04/28/2004 : 09:12:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I used to own a C-22, and can't picture where you could possibly have put 24 people, unless you stacked them like cordwood, put some in the lazarette, and others in the under-the-V-berth storage! <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> We didn't do it intentionally. We were on a fleet cruise. After docking, some of us were sitting on my boat waiting for everyone to gather together to go to dinner. As people arrived, they took a seat on my boat wherever there was available space. Before we realized it, the boat was jam-packed with people.

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