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jackfuller
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Initially Posted - 06/08/2004 :  17:11:12  Show Profile  Visit jackfuller's Homepage
The keel winch is very difficult to operate. Have lubed with PB blaster. I've just tried it on the hard and hope it works more easily in the water. If I need to replace it, any suggestions?
Thanks,
Jack
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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 06/08/2004 :  17:18:06  Show Profile
Congrats on your purchase Jack. Yes, it will work easier in the water. That being said, there is no lack of discussion threads on this site regarding swing keels, the importance of maintaining them properly and their potential problems. Doing a search will bring you a lot of info. (I know as I just purchased my '82 C25 and have gotten tons of good info from this forum and the General Forum.

I'd suggest also ordering the Catalina 25 Handbook from Catalina Direct.

Good luck,

Steve
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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 06/08/2004 :  20:20:01  Show Profile
I am not as strong as once upon a time; I got tired of cranking the old winch and put in the new one from Catalina Direct. A WORLD of difference! Now raising and lowering the keel is NO sweat, and I have to raise and lower every sail, due to a very shallow slip. Best money I ever spent, ron srsk #2343 Orion SW FL
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/08/2004 :  21:12:01  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
Or you need a new ball


Check this out
http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum36.html
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jackfuller
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Response Posted - 06/10/2004 :  22:25:57  Show Profile  Visit jackfuller's Homepage
Thanks for the good info! Can I replace the keel winch with the boat in the water? Looks like I can with the keel all the way down.
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Jack
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triley
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Response Posted - 06/10/2004 :  22:45:42  Show Profile
No problem replacing the keel. Make certain that you get things working in the right direction!
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JoergK
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Response Posted - 06/11/2004 :  10:01:42  Show Profile
Jack, just make sure you don't let the end of the cable slip after you took it off the old winch.
And, when you start to spool the cable on the new winch try to have the loops tight and neat on the drum.
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/11/2004 :  10:07:33  Show Profile
Couple remarks...

1) "...hope it (the keel) works more easily in the water."

Yes, the keel raises a bit easier in the water (notalot tho). Just consider the keel crank part of your exercise program. Some people pay lots of money to go to the gym for the same thing.

2) "Can I replace the keel winch with the boat in the water?"

I'd remove the companionway steps to do an in-water winch replacement. (would advise the same on the hard too) Only a few bolts hold the steps in place and it will make access to the winch a lot easier. Of course, the keel must be fully lowered to do this.

There's not much room between the keel 'standpipe' and the winch drum (at least on mine). Having an extra set of hands will be very helpful too.

Just remember... YOU CAN'T REMOVE THE KEEL STANDPIPE WHEN YOU ARE IN THE WATER! The boat will sink. (sorry about the shout, wanted to make sure you knew this little fact)

3) PB Blaster is great stuff...chemically loosens rust, but it is (in my experience) NOT a good lubricant. Evaporates quickly, leaving some dissolved rust behind which tends to bind things up rather than make it easier. LPS 3 used to be good... goes on as an aerosol and sets up into a light grease. Last cans I bought had the nozzles clog up after a couple uses though. EPA probably had them change the formulation.

Don't hose down the entire winch with lube! There's a set of brake 'pads' in there that make the winch work. Greasing those up may have very undesirable results.

Dismantling and 'overhauling' the winch is quite easy (clean/repaint/lube). Only has 5 moving parts.

4) The Catalina Direct owners handbook is worth every penny... as is membership in this association.
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Dave Laux
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Response Posted - 06/11/2004 :  19:04:21  Show Profile
Has anyone tried the brake type winches that lower a load smoothly and don't run away if you slip or let go. Dave
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 06/11/2004 :  20:05:42  Show Profile
"Has anyone tried the brake type winches that lower a load smoothly and don't run away if you slip or let go"

That's what the stock winches are... quite a clever design.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/12/2004 :  00:37:10  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
Dave, what kind of boat do you have? It is not in you sig or your bio.
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Dave Laux
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Response Posted - 06/13/2004 :  16:33:54  Show Profile
1987, wing keel, standard rig, much changed from as built. Sail number 5620 I think. I will lok for pictures later today and post a few. Dave
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