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Lightnup
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Initially Posted - 06/23/2004 : 09:38:31

For lack of a better term I used "cuddy," but I've noticed some C25s have teak-framed storage openings on the seatback section of their cockpit seating, below the coaming. My '82 does not. Did Catalina start adding those with a particular model year?

Assuming that the space between the seatback and the hull is hollow, is there a retrofit kit for installing those storage openings? Catalina Direct has the frames for the opening but is there an actual container that fits in there?

Thanks,

Steve

Steve Madden
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Fort Myers, FL

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 09:55:24

They were an option, my guess is your boat was ordered pretty bare since the coaming compartments are near universal. I would contact Catalina Yachts about the compartments.
Do you have:
shore power
a vanity
drawers ands doors under your galley
split backstay
Cabin-top winches
pop-top with tent enclosure
a 150 genoa

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 10:33:04

Hi Steve,

The "cuddy's" you describe are called cockpit coaming compartments. They were not part of the standard boat until '85 or '86. Prior to that, the coaming compartment was an additional option that could be ordered as part of innitial construction.....for an additional cost.

Optional choices included things like; cabin curtains, carpet, stove, marine head, hull colors, pop top, hand rails, swim ladder, extra winches, split backstay, boom vang, jiffy reefing gear, 150% genny, Spinnaker & gear, shore power hook up, and the outboard bracket. These options could easily add 20% to 25% to the innitial selling price of the boat.

Many dealers would order boats (floor samples) with different options ranging from "bare bones" to "loaded". Your boat was obviously ordered without the coaming compartments from the factory. You might contact either Catalina Yachts in Woodland Hills CA or Catalina Direct to see if there are coaming compartments available for your boat.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:36:21

My '78 does not have them either, although she has such oddities as drawers where some have a sink, and double lifelines. Mine has plywood, not teak companionway hatchboards as well. Some interesting choices could be made!

I ordered retro-fit coaming boxes from Catalina Yachts late last fall, along with the teak trim. As of yet, I have not installed them, but they are on the short list....before Nationals. Yes, there is room in there, but I am a tad fearful of cutting that hole. I am also unsure how to attach the boxes themselves to the backside of the coaming. If it's epoxy, they have to stay there in place some time for it to cure.....

The retro was not cheap....with teak, I think I paid them $170 for the pair....

Good luck,

Gary B.
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s/v Encore! #685 SK/SR

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:13:48

The cockpit coamings were an option back in '83 when I bought Silver Girl, in fact almost everything was an option and pricing a new Catalina was pretty tricky since they seemed to nickle and dime you for everything above their so called "sail away price", even some basic things you really needed. "Options" raised the cost of my boat from the "base price" of around fifteen grand to a $21,490.00 before tax.

I remember Hunter advertised their "Cruise Pack" with which they delivered their boats pretty much fully equipped at one all inclusive price with everything from VHF to PFDs.

But would I really want to own one of THOSE?????

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:40:16

Fhopper originally wrote:
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Do you have:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
shore power - NO
a vanity - YES
drawers ands doors under your galley - YES
split backstay - NO
Cabin-top winches YES
pop-top with tent enclosure - NO TENT ENCLOSURE (but I want one, are they available somewhere?)
a 150 genoa - YES

The cockpit coaming compartments look nice, but not $170.00 worth of nice. Guess I'll do without that option. What does a pop-top tent enclosure cost?

Steve

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 13:39:13

Many of us have them and they are seldom used. Do you have the snaps installed on the cabin house?

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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 13:51:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 Many of us have them and they are seldom used. Do you have the snaps installed on the cabin house?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I doubt that he'll have the snaps--they're probably installed to match the cover. If he gets a cover, then he'll want to do ths same.

My cover may never have been unfolded!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 15:41:46

The Pop-top cover is GREAT when overnighting with the family. Solo overnight, or daysailing, I don't ever put it up. I think it costs abour $500 from Catalina Direct.

It gets used a couple of times per year.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 15:54:01

What does a pop-top tent enclosure cost?

I think a new one cost around $400-450.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 16:56:25

$450-$500?!?! For a poptop tent? That must be for the one with sliding tinted windows and teak window flowerboxes?

Yikes! Oh well, another nice-to-have option to go on the "Someday" list along with the cockpit coaming containers.

Thanks for the information.

Steve

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trent
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 17:56:24

Hey Steve,

It does sound like a lot for what it is but the popup tent is pretty darn nice and mine is very well made. I can see it being that expensive since it is heavy vinyl not thin camping tent like material.

Did you ever figure out anything to clean the red stuff off the deck with? I'm going to try the Life Caulk suggestion, hopefully this weekend...

Happy sailing \trent

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 18:15:37

My pop-top cover has been used at least 100 nights over roughly 7 years.

Steve -- if you or someone close is handy at sewing, you could make one for a lot less. I've recently done a couple boat sewing projects starting from zero sewing experience and have discovered it's really not that difficult. Plans/dimensions for the pop-top cover can be located at [url="http://www.catalina25-250.org/tech/tech25/tt012.html"]Pop-top Cover plans[/url]. If you go this route, you may want to make the cover first before setting the snaps (both the female side in the cover and the male side in the cabintop) in order to get a better fit.

Alternatively, some of the day-sailor types or others who never use their pop-top covers occasionally offer them for sale them on this forum. But even at those reduced prices, you could probably make one for significantly less.

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Dave Laux
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 20:13:25

Donna, my wife made our pop-top enclosure of acrylic (Sunbrella) with screens on both sides and the companionway. She also put velcro around the edges and we used the cutouts to make closure panels. I think this is an enormous improvemnet over the vinyl factory ones. We use our a lot and enjoy it. On a hot day it lowers the temp significantly. Dave

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Mark Maxwell
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 21:57:07

The pop-top cover is over $500. I bought one from CD 2 years ago. It is very well made and we use it every night we sleep on it which is not as often as I'd like. If I had to do it again I'd try and make one first. Very simple pattern and if you used a rip-stop nylon type material you wouldn't have to worry about mold issues or vinyl window creases like I do.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 22:47:30

Am adding sewing to the list of skills I'm going to need to learn in order to be a happier sailor (on the list right below proper sailboat rigging techniques, outboard motor repair, celestial navigation, leaky window repair, teak maintenance & repair, sail trimming technique, keel-winch maintenance, fiberglass repair and maintenance, marine electrical systems, gudgeon and pintle theory, care and feeding of a boom vang, weather interpretation, how to transfer all the money in my 401K to West Marine, knot tying and proper use of the term "Helms Alee!")

Or, maybe some day one of the folks who don't use their poptop tent will want to sell it and I won't have to buy a sewing machine.

Steve

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 23:02:09

Hi Steve,

Just last week there was a C-25 poptop cover listed on eBay with a starting bid of $100 ... no one bid on it. Maybe the seller will list it again ... or, if you're patient, another one will likely show up sooner or later.

BTW, if you'd like to have some storage in the cockpit area without going through the trouble and expense of adding coaming compartments, you can buy Sunbrella "saddlebags" that snap over the lifelines. I've got a pair of them, and they really come in handy. I bought them on eBay ... 'seems like the pair was about $35.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 06/23/2004 : 23:32:05

Thanks Buzz. I peruse eBay every once in a while but will have to check in there more regularly.

Steve

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rclift
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Response Posted - 06/24/2004 : 01:09:58

Thought you might want to see the options page and prices from 1983-84

http://home.comcast.net/~fleet94/options%20list.htm

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 06/24/2004 : 09:42:29

That's neat. Thanks.

Buzz - I sent an email to the guy that had the poptop tent on eBay last week. Haven't heard back yet.

Steve

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