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JDK91852
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Initially Posted - 06/25/2004 : 21:09:53

I just purchased a catalina 25 1987 wing keel and think it's a tall rig. Should i be happy or sad about the tall rig. Looks like a bimini will be trouble. Just steped the mast for first time today and have not made it to the lake. Our lake here in Texas says max. mast of 35'.
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john

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rclift
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Response Posted - 06/25/2004 : 22:00:08

Either rig has their advantages. Tall rigs should have an advantage in very light air just because of the larger amount of sail area. In my case that hasn't made much difference. Tall rigs are a disadvantage in heavy air where you can quickly become overpowered and need to reef earlier then the standard rig. I think it is really a good idea to have a second or even a third reef point on the tall rig. The first reef point on the tall rig gives you about the same sail area as the standard rig without a reef. In all I think the tall rig gives you a larger number of sail options but at the cost of having to shorten sail earlier then the standard rig.

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Response Posted - 06/25/2004 : 22:13:17

...and at the cost of the boom being a foot lower.

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rford
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Response Posted - 06/26/2004 : 00:32:41

I don't think you should be sad about the tall rig. There are some disadvantages, but there are trade offs to every boat on the market.... enjoy your TR.

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 06/26/2004 : 01:36:16

I think neither a tall or standard rig should be considered "better" since it depends on where you sail and how strong the predominant winds are. Where I usually sail in Raritan Bay, the winds are predominantly light to moderate and for me the tall rig has been a real plus over the years. If I sailed in home waters where the winds were heavier most of the time I would have opted for a standard rig which would be more appropriate (most off the time). I've found that I sail right by standard rig C 25s with their 150s hoisted when using my 110. When I'm using my 150, I fly by them. When heavier than usual winds are predicted, or I expect them due to observed conditions, I select the 110 and don't find my boat to be at all tender. It all boils down to matching your rig to your home waters. I've been at the helm of Silver Girl since '83 and she is nicely matched to the waters in which I usually sail her.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 06/26/2004 : 02:08:10

tall rig wing with 110 and fin keel standard with 135 are so close in speed you can't tell the difference cruising and casual racing. In ultra light air (< 5) the tr walks away from the sr on all points of sail. In winds 15 to 20 the sr fin is faster upwind and points higher. The tr is faster downwind (but I have a pole and Gary doesn't) which gives me the overall edge downwind - sometimes! His racing knowledge gives him a big tactical edge.

It's hard to beat a well sailed and race-prepared C25 sr or tr, fin or wing (we don't have a swinger in Fleet 7). I can outpoint and pass heading upwind almost any boat 30' and under. Certainly the boat tacks on a dime and accelerates quickly with every puff. Gary, on his tr wing, is right there - we're only seconds apart. Of course I am always tweaking every line trying to go faster.

There are lots more used sails available for the TR. All in all, I wish I had a TR here in Southern CA because the air is usually light. When its blowing, the SR with a 110 and a single reef is a great boat.

I don't find the tr noticably more tender. We routinely heel our boats up to around 30 degrees. 45 is past time to reduce sail. Sail on mine, sail on Gary's - can't notice much of a difference (his is newer and with more shine). I've got lots of fishing stuff.

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 06/26/2004 : 12:32:53

Jim -- so have you calculated the speed reduction of dragging a couple #18 Rapala CD Mag's?

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JDK91852
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Response Posted - 06/27/2004 : 10:51:34

Thank you all for your views on the tall rig. I feel better after hearing from people with experience. I sail in Texas on lakes many times in high winds. I will be looking for a "new used main that i can add extra reef pionts to".
Thanks again
John

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 06/28/2004 : 10:42:43

dragging the rapallas doesn't slow you down. It's the 30 foot long balls of kelp that I hook up!!

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