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Teakman
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Initially Posted - 07/09/2004 :  18:44:17  Show Profile
Hi, this is Mike again.

More problems with reefing. My mainsail has sail slugs. The last on in is held up above the wide spot in the mast slot by a stopper, which tightens into the slot by turning it. With the sail slug stopper thus tightened in place, the sail cannot be reefed properly as the reef point grommet can't be pulled down far enough to hook on the boom. What am I missing here? Do I have to release the sail slug stopper and pull the sail down (including pulling out a few slugs) to get the reef point down to the hook?

Another point of view: the illustration of the mast and boom doesn't show the hook on the boom. It shows the reef point being fastened by a line to a cleat on the mast. Is that a better way to do it? Doesn't that still mean you have a baggy section of mainsail below the reef point but above the sail slug stopper?

Is this making sense to anyone but me???
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D Wrate
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Response Posted - 07/09/2004 :  19:08:50  Show Profile  Visit D Wrate's Homepage
Hmmm, totally different boat but my stopper is just above the mast track opening which is maybe 6" above my reefing hook. All of my slugs stack up and still allow the reef cringle to slip over the hook. Bear in mind that reefing = bagginess in the sail foot...
No idea if I am doing it right or wrong but it always seems to work ok for me...

David
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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/09/2004 :  19:17:00  Show Profile
What you need for 'tidy' reefing... is a a pair of 'Mast Gates'.

They are simple devices that fill in the opening in the mast track so the sail slugs can slide all the way to the boom.

There's a gentleman in Colorado (joemartinek@starband.net) that makes very nice C25 gates out of stainless or you can make your own if so inclined.
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 07/09/2004 :  19:17:18  Show Profile
You're correct that you have to loosen the stopper and remove a few slugs to reef the mainsail. There are devices called "mast gates" that make reefing much easier. Mast gates are mounted on either side of the wide part of the mast slot, and they narrow the slot so that the slugs won't come out when you lower the sail. Some very nice ones are made by joemartinek@starband.net specifically for C25s for about $25.00.

Reef hooks were not options on new C25s. The line and cleat work just as well.

The reef line should pull the grommets down snugly to the boom.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/10/2004 :  00:28:34  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
I was playing with reefing today. We were blowing 15-18 with gusts into the mid 20s (mph). I wanted to try a reefed main with my 135. I use a reef hook and have no bagginess on my foot. Of course there is the loose sail material but the main is very tight and smooth, I like using a hook, mast gates and the jackline slugs that get out of the way when reefed.
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Scotd
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Response Posted - 07/10/2004 :  09:01:30  Show Profile  Visit Scotd's Homepage
Frank do you have more pictures of your reefing system? I would love to see the reef hooks and the mast gates.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/10/2004 :  09:26:42  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
mast gate
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/10/2004 :  09:29:55  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
reef hook and a bunch of stuff that I don't use.
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Scotd
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Response Posted - 07/10/2004 :  09:32:15  Show Profile  Visit Scotd's Homepage
Frank are those the full batten sails with the loose foot from catalina Direct? If they are how do you like them? Mine should be delivered in 6 weeks I hope?
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 07/10/2004 :  10:12:47  Show Profile
Hi Mike,

Here's a link to the Tech Tips section that shows a photo of the mast gates on Snickerdoodle. I made these out of aluminum trim found at most home supply big box stores (Lowes, Home Depot, etc). The gates keep the slugs from falling out of the mast as you raise, lower, and/or reef the mainsail. The also allow the sail to pack on top of the boom better than with the slot stopper system.
http://www.catalina25-250.org/tech/tech25/snkslot.html

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839
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OJ
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Response Posted - 07/10/2004 :  21:04:30  Show Profile
Here are the mast gates made by Joe Martinek.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/10/2004 :  23:51:15  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Scotd</i>
<br />Frank are those the full batten sails with the loose foot from catalina Direct? If they are how do you like them? Mine should be delivered in 6 weeks I hope?
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Yes, I am very pleased. There is nothing that I would improve. The loose foot begs for an adjustable outhaul led to the cockpit so you can trim it often.
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John Ace
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Response Posted - 07/12/2004 :  15:15:12  Show Profile
reefing does not = loose foot, at least it shouldn't. Have a cheek block mounted several inches aft of the reefing clew led to a cleat forward on the boom to tention the foot. And the tack must meet the boom. Great pictures Frank.
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