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bear
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Initially Posted - 07/14/2004 : 20:16:37

After reading about upgrades to bigger sailboats I found a C-28 was moored in the slip next to me today. After having 3 C25's, an Oday something? and a McGregor furthur down, I can certainly understand someone's desire for a bigger sailboat. In upstate New York all I really could do was read about these bigger sailboats. I presume the C-28 will be next to me the rest of the sailing season, but it does have all the goodies that I only read about on these forums. I am going to the tall ships exposition in Newport R.I. this Saturday so maybe I will see the rest of the cream of the crop...."Bear" doing my thing in upstate N.Y.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 07/14/2004 : 23:32:36

Hi Bear... The C-28 has the most impressive interior foot-for-foot I've ever seen. It's much more commodious than the C-27 or C-270. So, if you need a "short" boat, that might be the one. But for sailors looking for performance and seakeeping capabilities, the C-30 and above might be better choices. The C-310 and 320 are similarly amazing for accommodations, and the 350 is HUGE--all a cruising couple needs unless they want to live aboard for good. I like the 310, but the C-28 Mk II is certainly worth a look for anyone moving up from the C-25.

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lancej
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Response Posted - 07/15/2004 : 06:10:56

Hi there Bear... Where in Upstate? Finger Lakes? I am out here in Buffalo with my C25. I know a guy in my marina with a C28, and they are nice! A C30 is my choice however. Available in larger numbers, sometimes cheaper than a 28. A C30 will be my next boat, save for a Cape Dory or some other Alberg creation. There are C30s everywhere here, more abundant than 22s or 25s. Anyway, good sailing!!

Lance
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bear
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Response Posted - 07/15/2004 : 07:43:25

Lance,
Myself and Don Peet sail on the Great Sacandaga Lake in the Adirondack State Park, about 55 miles Northwest of Albany. I am about 15 miles North of the Mayfield yacht club where most of the bigger sailboats are slipped. I was just amazed that a bigger sailboat would come that far up the lake to be moored..."Bear"

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Greg Jackson
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Response Posted - 07/15/2004 : 23:46:29

The C28 is on my short list as it has a number of nice aspects. Never the less, I think it looks a bit piggy. Particularlly the later models which added a freeboard porthole.

A few years back I thought I wanted a C26. That was a short lived beamy model in the Capri series. I sailed on one and found it had unbearable weatherhelm and the monster tiller was always getting in the way.

Catalina offers good value, but it is not the beginning and end. If you want to see the most boat in a small space with very high quality construction, look to the Ericson 25+. They made a 25, but that's a different boat. The 25+ is really nice, but a bit beyond trailerable for most people. It's more like a C27 but better layout, more headroom, and higher quality construction.

I chartered a Pacific Seacraft once. The quality, detail, and expense put into those boats is several notches above Catalina, but you pay for it. They stopped making the Orion model because very few people saw the logic in paying $100,000 for a 24 foot boat.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/16/2004 : 00:12:06

I really like the Catalina 28 and I also like the Oday 302. The 302 has the nicest head on a 30 footer I have ever seen. We have one at the club and it is very nice. For me the only better boat than the one I have is one with a head for a 300 pound man. I have not tried the 28 head but the 302 can use a conventional toilet... that's nice!

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD& units=Feet& checked_boats=1180327& slim=quick&

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD& units=Feet& checked_boats=1213818& slim=quick&

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?currency=USD& units=Feet& checked_boats=1190279& slim=quick&

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 07/16/2004 : 05:52:48

Greg, the PS Orion was a 27' boat -- the Dana is 24'. I know this only because the Orion is on my fantasy short list.

Brooke

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/16/2004 : 10:14:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Brooke Willson
 Greg, the PS Orion was a 27' boat -- the Dana is 24'. I know this only because the Orion is on my fantasy short list.

Brooke
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Is that LOA, or LOD? The Orion, Dana, and Flicka have cutter rigs with bowsprits.

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 07/16/2004 : 11:16:21

Dave -- I think that is LOD. I'm not sure about Orion, but not all Dana's and Flicka's have cutter rigs.

I think it's interesting that PS still makes the Dana which is well over $100K equiped and that the price of used Dana's is often more than used Orion's.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/16/2004 : 13:08:05

" the Orion is on my fantasy short list."

IMHO... If you're talking that caliber and cost of boat... add the the Norsea 27 to your list.

Probably the biggest, most bluewater capable boat that's actually "trailerable". If you're really into performance, there's always the F27 and F30 trimarans. Not very traditional, but fast, trailerable... and people have crossed oceans with 'em. (not that I'd want to cross the Pacific in an F27)

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 07/17/2004 : 09:55:37

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ClamBeach
 
IMHO... If you're talking that caliber and cost of boat... add the the Norsea 27 to your list.
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There is a Nor'Sea 27 owner who has been a guest speaker at our sailing club meetings a couple of times. He is a cousin, or maybe nephew, of one of our members. He has taken that boat all the way north to Sitka, Alaska, where he lived aboard for 8 years while working as an Alaska State Fisheries Department employee, and in the last couple of years, "across the pond" on a cruise to several points in the western Pacific, culminating in Australia and New Zealand. Sad to say, but the boat was almost destroyed by a negligent Seattle truck driver last year. The boat was brought back to the US from Australia as deck cargo on a container ship, arriving at the commercial port of Seattle. From there, it was to be trucked a few miles across town to a marina where there was a travel lift and yard services to re-commission and launch her. The truck driver tried to take a shortcut from the pre-approved route, and smashed the boat's cabin roof under a highway overpass. Fortunately for the boat's owner, the company that makes Nor'Sea Yachts is still in business and still has the fiberglass molds for his version of the 27, so they were able to get the boat repaired.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 07/17/2004 : 11:05:04

Trailerable is irrelevant for me. So, probably, are my fantasies, which is what makes them fantasies. I like the looks, layout, construction, and reputation of the Orion, and it's the biggest PS boat I could singlehand. For the moment, I'm committed to enjoying my delightful little C25 as much as possible.

To digress: this Spring I met the owner of the miskept Hunter 23 in the slip next to mine. He was quite gregarious, asking me about my boat, telling me about his sailing adventures, and telling me at great length about the bigger boats he was thinking about buying. A forlorn Oday was for sale on another pier -- when he learned it was available, he abandoned his repairs on his wreck to examine the Oday, proclaiming it an eminently desirable boat. Upshot: the Oday was bought by someone else, the Hunter still lies in disrepair, and it has not left the slip yet this year.

Moral: success is having what you want, happiness is wanting what you have.

Brooke

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