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Ben
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Initially Posted - 08/12/2004 :  10:37:11  Show Profile
Hi All,

What is the proper way to fly a club burgee (is that the word)? I thought I had heard or read somewhere that it is supposed to be flown from a halyard on the starboard spreader. My boat has such a halyard and I hoisted my club's burgee for the first time before last night's sail. Whenever we were on a port tack, however, the burgee kept smacking against the mainsail. At first I thought maybe this is just another one of those pleasant sailing sounds that you get when there is no engine drowning out all other noises, but pretty soon it became iritating, and then it occurred to me that the smacking against the mainsail cannot be good for that part of the sail.

Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks ya'll!!
Ben
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coach
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Response Posted - 08/12/2004 :  10:46:50  Show Profile

I always fly mine on port side. Not sure if it matters or not.
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 08/12/2004 :  11:55:09  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Ben</i>
<br />Whenever we were on a port tack, however, the burgee kept smacking against the mainsail. At first I thought maybe this is just another one of those pleasant sailing sounds that you get when there is no engine drowning out all other noises, but pretty soon it became iritating, and then it occurred to me that the smacking against the mainsail cannot be good for that part of the sail...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

My newly installed burgee does the same thing and I, too, thought along with the constant fwaap, fwaap, fwaap, fwaap, that this may result in some excessive chafing of the main. I'm considering removing the burgee for this reason.
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jtbarrett
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Response Posted - 08/12/2004 :  15:50:02  Show Profile
I fly my burgees while in port at my destination. Seems to work better that way. But as for 'ol glory she is stern mounted under sail:).


Fair Winds..

Jonathan T Barrett
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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 08/12/2004 :  22:32:07  Show Profile
According to the Annapolis Book of Seamanship, 3rd Ed. (pp. 370-371) a burgee is normally flown from the masthead on a "pigstick" attached to a flag halyard, BUT as things like wind direction devices, anemometers & antennas often interfere, flying it from the lowest STARBOARD spreader outboard of the lower shroud wires is OK. This is considered a place of honor. No mention of the port side being used. Another location is from a short jackstaff attached to the bow pulpit.
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roberoo
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Response Posted - 08/13/2004 :  19:25:04  Show Profile  Visit roberoo's Homepage
Just taking a guess a "Jack Staff" is a short pole/post? I have never seen this on a sail boat but I believe as a kid my dad had one on our cabin cruiser (early 60's).

Any idea where to get a JackStaff. And before someone says it I googled it and didn't get any great answers.
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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 08/13/2004 :  20:01:07  Show Profile
Roberoo,

You are correct. West Marine has one for about $13. Go to their site & type in flag clips. This will take you to the page in their electronic catalog.
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roberoo
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Response Posted - 08/13/2004 :  20:15:51  Show Profile  Visit roberoo's Homepage
Thanks Jeff,

OUCH!!! 80.00 bucks, that will hurt.
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RichardG
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Response Posted - 08/14/2004 :  10:05:53  Show Profile
I've seen jack staffs usually mounted to the stern rail of sailboats.

While maybe not proper, I clip ol' glory to the backstay with plastic wireties, just above the pigtail (which is used only to hold the sunshower up). My flag halyard to the spreaders is reserved for a radar reflector.
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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 08/14/2004 :  18:49:09  Show Profile
Roberoo,

I don't thing you looked at the one I was referring to. In the West Marine catalog it's in the Interior/Flag accessories section on page 862, letter C. The item # is 2308617. It's $12.99.
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frogger
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Response Posted - 08/14/2004 :  20:05:38  Show Profile
Clipped to the backstay is fine and proper. It works. KISS.
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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 08/15/2004 :  13:20:23  Show Profile
In all earlier years the club burgee was flown from a pigstick at the truck or masthead, going back to the days of gaff and square sails (no I was not there at the time--be nice). In later years due, as has been mentioned, to the proliferation of stuff at the masthead of marconi sails, the burgeee is usually flown at the starboard spreader, and most boats have a small block attached to the spreader, perhaps half way in, and a flag halyard of light line to hoist the burgee (or private signal, if not a club member)which often belays to a finger cleat down low on the upper shroud, so the line and flag are clear of all. Hope I made this clear---maybe just muddled it more. Ron srsk Orion SW FL
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