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Waterboy
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Initially Posted - 09/04/2004 :  13:56:24  Show Profile  Visit Waterboy's Homepage
Howdy again,

This has nothing to do with 25/250's per se, but perhaps some folks in the forum have experienced my dilemma. I have a 1976 C22 SK I need to get rid of ... soon (moving out of state). I've tried advertising both locally and online at what I thought was a ridiculously low price. I've tried donating it. It needs some work, but it could be a real find for someone who really wants to sail but is on a budget. Has a trailer too, which is fundamentally sound but needs minor work.

It's occurred to me to scuttle it (not the 'right' thing to do), or remove the good hardware (lots of this) and cut her up with the old sawzall and landfill her...leaving me with the trailer to sell or use somehow. The thought of cutting up a good sailboat and landfilling the pieces is loath to me not only because it takes up valuable landfill space and is $$$$, but also because cutting up a good boat seems tantamount to cutting down a live tree 'cause it's blocking your view or killing an animal bacause you don't want it.

Pictures at http://c22forsale.home.mindspring.com

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Greg
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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 09/04/2004 :  15:06:39  Show Profile
Have you tried donating the boat to Sea Scouts? When I was in that program, back in the early 70's, we would take almost anything as long as it was floating. Your boat looks like the equipment inventory is pretty good, and it was obviously someone's race boat before it got hit. A bunch of Sea Scouts could do the repair work using their own labor, as long as someone would donate the materials, and the fact that there is a trailer with the boat makes it doubly attractive. Sea couts don't often get keel boats donated to them that include a trailer. The collision damage on the boat might be more than a Sea Scout unit would want to deal with, so they might say "thanks, but no thanks", but it won't cost you anything to at least contact them and offer it. Good luck! If you can't find anyone to take the boat, the trailer and the boat's hardware are worth quite a bit if you have the time and energy to strip everything, then cut up the hulk and landfill it if that won't cost too much. Have you priced the actual cost of landfill disposal?

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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 09/04/2004 :  15:27:46  Show Profile
Carving up a servicable boat just seems <i>WRONG</i> and a LOT of work. Fiberglass in the lungs is no good either.

You could also check with the USCG Auxillliary or Power Squadron folks up that way. Even if thay can't take it off your hands they might know a non-profit (501.3.c) organization that would want it. Tax time bonus: If you DONATE it to one of these groups I believe it's DEDUCTIBLE.

Good luck.

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 09/04/2004 :  18:07:18  Show Profile
1. Place several large marijuana plants conspicuously in the cockpit. When the sherrif confiscates the boat, it becomes their problem.

2. Sail it to Cuba and when the Coast Guard confiscates the boat on your return trip, it becomes their problem.

3. Find a local seafood restaurant and convince the manager it would make a great addition to the sea-motif landscaping.

4. Anchor it somewhere with a "This is an abandoned boat...yours for the taking" sign on it.

5. Bring it to South Florida; the way this year's hurricane season is going, odds are the boat will be driftwood by October.

6. Park it in a Wal-Mart parking lot with a "Trailer for sale - comes with free boat" sign on it.

7. Find a democrat and convince them it's John Kerry's old swiftboat.

8. Find a republican and convince them it's George Bush's old Coast Guard boat.

9. Talk it up. I asked the guy at U-haul when I was buying moving boxes whether he might want the old 16' project boat runabout that was sitting in my garage (no motor). He didn't, but his buddy did and they came and got it that day.

Steve


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Waterboy
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Response Posted - 09/04/2004 :  18:52:31  Show Profile  Visit Waterboy's Homepage
*LOL* You're heading up a brain trust for creative problem solving, right? Seriously, those types of ides have occurred to me, but carving it up or abandoning it are my last resorts. Offering it for free is a real possibility, but I'd first like to make it available to a group where it'll do some good. The guy that raced it before I picked it up apparently kicked the field with it ... it's rough but it'll sail well.

So ... perhaps yous folks can help with donation ideas:

The '1 800 GIV BOAT' type charities aren't interested.

They ask "How many horsepower does it have?"

I reply "Well, 6 to 8 if I'm using the gasoline engine. I'm not sure about the main engine; I think it'll develop up to about 400 horsepower."

Them: "Great! Is that a gasoline or deisel?"

Me: "Neither. It's ... uh ... a complex venturi based solar engine."

Them: "Hrmmm ... we don't usually accepted experimental craft."

Me: "It's not experimental. These have been around for years. MANY, MANY years."

Them: "It doesn't seem to fit in any of our categories; I don't think we can take it."

Me: "OK, thanks anyway."

Only the last conversation went like this; after I pretty much figured out none of those donation charities would take it.

I'll find a home for it. I can't just cut it up; that'd be like sending an aging thouroughbred to the glue factory. Still, any suggestions re: a youth group or similar would be appreciated.

Thanks for the chuckle Steve!

Greg

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oldsalt
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Response Posted - 09/04/2004 :  22:19:29  Show Profile
Have you considered putting it up on e bay? Folks seem to buy anything and everything there if the price is right.

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 09/04/2004 :  23:05:55  Show Profile
"7. Find a democrat and convince them it's John Kerry's old swiftboat. (Shouldn't be hard, they seem to be pretty gullible these days.)"

I guess some Ditto-heads may find this funny, (even with the cute smiley face) but I don't. I really don't think political jabs or jokes have any place on this forum....some of us take the world situation quite seriously. If you want to debate just who is gullible, I would love to, but not here....ok?

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Gary B.
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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 09/05/2004 :  00:08:04  Show Profile
Gary -

With all due respect, I too take the world situation seriously. No offense was intended (as I'm sure you meant no offense by the Ditto-head reference) and I have edited my original post to be fair and balanced.

Steve

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familysailor
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Response Posted - 09/05/2004 :  02:33:49  Show Profile
Howdy Greg,

If the boat is anywhere near Utah (California, Nevada, Arizona, etc.) I know the Brigham Young University Sailing Club would be glad to have it. We have been looking for a C-22 for some time and are capable of repairing a damaged boat. It would be tax deductable if that helps.

Thanks,

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 09/05/2004 :  08:59:36  Show Profile
Catalina Direct sponsors a C22 chat line. Have you tried to advertise it there. If it is an old boat, the racers will want it. The old 22's had a really light mast (made by Hunter?) and really light hull. The only way to be competative in C22 racing is to have an old boat.

Good luck

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/05/2004 :  12:13:48  Show Profile
Waterboy--where are you? Give us just a hint...

Have you posted on the various C-22 forums? I would think that, after seeing those mylar sails, somebody there would bite. If they're in decent shape, those sails represent some serious boat units. (However, things like that don't interest charities.)

And yes, let's watch the political shots--anything that seems funny to one side will not be to the other. But did you hear the one about the little old lady...

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Waterboy
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Response Posted - 09/05/2004 :  14:24:39  Show Profile  Visit Waterboy's Homepage
'don't mean to be elusive regarding my whereabouts ... I'm in the east valley Phoenix AZ area.

Being from Djibouti, I could pretend to be 'Sheik Djibouti' ... but I don't want to offend either - I've learned the hard way that my sense of humor isn't the same as others' often times ... and sarcasm etc. frequently doesn't come through in text.

If folks start to get 'rowdy' in a thread, is it possible for the originator to delete the whole thing? I've been baited into flame wars in the past ... totally useless.

Big thanks everyone for all the suggestions.

Greg

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/05/2004 :  14:52:12  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Waterboy</i>
<br />If folks start to get 'rowdy' in a thread, is it possible for the originator to delete the whole thing?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yup. If the "topic" is yours, there's a little trash-can icon in the header of your opening post. That kills the whole topic (thread). You can also use the can to delete your own responses in any thread.

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 09/05/2004 :  19:08:21  Show Profile
Another donation plan: Give it to the Boy Scouts of San Diego. Check out this website http://www.bsadpc.org/donations/content/boatdonation.asp


Or log onto http://www.thelog.com/ which is the The Log Newspaper in California....find it in all the marine and restaurant newstands everywhere. You will find the "Donate" box on the right side of the homepage.

Any way you get there in order to move the boat is better than digging a big hole I would think.

Have you tried the C22 national website?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/06/2004 :  22:32:57  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dave Bristle</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Waterboy</i>
<br />If folks start to get 'rowdy' in a thread, is it possible for the originator to delete the whole thing?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Yup. If the "topic" is yours, there's a little trash-can icon in the header of your opening post. That kills the whole topic (thread). You can also use the can to delete your own responses in any thread.
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Not once it has been replied to.

I have a friend that might give you some money for it, email me.

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 09/07/2004 :  01:06:19  Show Profile
Lightenup,

r.e. the earlier post, I actually thought the term was rather an affectionate term, used by the MAN himself, for those who quote him....if not, I am misinformed, and apologetic......

Gary B.

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/07/2004 :  09:30:35  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Gary B.</i>
<br />Lightenup,
r.e. the earlier post, I actually thought the term was rather an affectionate term, used by the MAN himself, for those who quote him....if not, I am misinformed, and apologetic......
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Gary: That proves your point, precisely!

In S.D., makin' BUs...

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Waterboy
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Response Posted - 09/07/2004 :  11:50:32  Show Profile  Visit Waterboy's Homepage
I think I found a home for it ... if not I'll be following up on the forum's other suggestions. Thanks again everyone.

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