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atgep
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Initially Posted - 09/09/2004 :  17:15:33  Show Profile

Hello all. Is anyone tired of spinning the revolver playing Russian Roulette????
As most of you know, I am up in Jax with Ben and Jerry(Frog). If there is anything I can do to help(Place to park the boat or help getting supplies here in Jax), Let me know. I will not be flying out with the aircraft this time! Looks like it might be a wild ride.

Tom in Jacksonville.
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 :  08:37:07  Show Profile
Tom,

Are you, or were you, a Sonarman? The title of your topic speaks volumes.
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atgep
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 :  10:21:02  Show Profile
I am in the Navy, but fly on P-3 aircraft. Big fan of Hunt for Red October. That is where it came from.

Tom.
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 :  11:06:46  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by atgep</i>
<br />I am in the Navy, but fly on P-3 aircraft. Big fan of Hunt for Red October. That is where it came from.
Tom.
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Would I be correct in stating that the newest P-3 airframe in the Navy's inventory is approaching 40 years old, making it like the B-52 in that the planes are a lot older than most of the crew people who are flying in them? I seem to recal reading somewhere that the P-3 is a military variant of a Lockheed Electra commercial airliner; the last Electra's were retired from maintream passenger service in the US in the early days of the Vietnam War, when jets were pretty much taking over from prop planes, at least in passenger service, as fast as the manufacturers could build them.

Seems to me that if the P-3's are getting that old, it might make sense for a new ASW platform to be designed around the C-130J airframe. These are in current production, and 40 years of technology advances have made them as much as 30% more fuel efficient than the original C-130A. I think even the size would be a close match - the Hercules looks to be pretty close to the Orion in overall fuselage volume and payload capacity. Flight parameters might be different though - I know you need to go "low and slow" for the ASW mission, and the C-130J might not have a flight performance envelope suitable for ASW.
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atgep
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 :  12:01:08  Show Profile
You pretty much nailed it about the ole P-3. Great plane but average age is around 30 yrs. The c-130j is good but is far too slow considering the STUFF the p-3 is doing today. A month ago Beoing won a contract to build a combat version 737. Time will tell. I am a bit weary of such a lightly built aircraft flying at 200 ft 1500 miles from home. That is the reason NOAA still uses the p-3 for the real dirty work of the hunting process.

Gotta go, Tropical update is coming on........
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 :  16:24:13  Show Profile
Tom,
Good luck with Ivan. I saw your post about being in Dallas/Fort Worth late on Sunday night! Sorry I did not see it sooner, I could have offered a sail on Grapevine Lake.

If you do end up in the area, please let me know. That goes for anybody stranded in the DFW area. If you need a place to stay or a boat to sail, let me know! The house is 100+ years old, and the C-25 (FK, Std rig) is not much younger!), but we are very close to DFW airport.

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