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stan
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Initially Posted - 09/09/2004 : 17:36:44

I have a 84 Catalina 25, has anyone needed to replace the stem fitting?
Has anyone purchased and installed the stem fitting with bow roller from Catalina Direct?

If so, was it worth the effort?

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/09/2004 : 21:11:04

Should be lotsa threads turned up by a forum search on bow roller or stem fitting...

As I recall, the folks that have installed them have been very happy with the results. It takes a little engineering to get the longer tang fitted under the rubrail..

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/09/2004 : 23:09:20

that sums it up

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/09/2004 : 23:14:00

that sums it up

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rclift
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 : 00:13:53

Frank, Super pictures. I noticed that the last photo shows that your deck overhangs the hull quite a lot. My boat has a very similar overhang of nearly a full inch. Most of the C25's I've checked have very little overhang in comparison. I see that you bent the tang of the stem fitting and then matched the slope of the hull. Faced with the same dilemma I called the factory and one of their techs had me put in a 1 inch thick teak spacer to fill the space rather then bend the stainless and possibly damage it. It appears that your installation was really well done and looks great.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 : 09:17:54

Ok, that looks so good that now I gotta get one... so there goes another boat unit!
Whoever buys WOTAM 5 years from now (when I step up to go cruising) is gonna get a real nice boat.

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Jack Heaston
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 : 11:26:03

Frank
Thank you very much for the pictures. I am installing my new stem fitting from CD this weekend and will also need to bend the tang. Liked the way you did yours. Too bad that it seems beyond CD's capabilities to offer a fitting that matches the old 4-bolt pattern, but maybe that changed over the years like just about everything else on the 25s.
Thanks again.
Jack
83 FK/SR 3944 Rag Act

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 : 11:41:37

I am glad the pictures have helped. Don't worry too much about the bolt under the rub rail. I used a Dremel to make a notch in the rubrail so the bolt would come out. It was hard to get one back in very well, I think it would be just as well to fill the hole.

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Todd Frye
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 : 16:20:23

Stan,
Just did the stem fitting/bow roller this season. I now use the new set up for stepping the mast too. I attach a pulley (made for mountain rescue work…similar to a snatch block, but not as pricey) to the large diameter captive pin on the bow roller and direct my hauling line (attached to the jib halyard) back to the winch. It is very easy to control the mast going up or down with this mechanical advantage. However, it still takes two to step the mast. I am a firm believer in the anchor being a major piece of safety gear. This addition has greatly improved my ability to drop the hook in an emergency. Great photos of the process Frank. Fair winds. Todd Frye

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deastburn
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Response Posted - 09/10/2004 : 21:47:10

Frank:
A really neat installation. I have a question:

I installed a separate bow roller (Windline 9 from what I remember). Having the ability to drop a really good anchor (Delta 14 lb) easily when single-handing is a MAJOR safety improvement, and allows me to go into anchorages I formerly eschewed. BUT (here's the question), when I am on my mooring, the mooring lines catch the anchor as the boat swings on the mooring. It is a minor problem, but if a storm were on its way, I would want to remove the anchor and the consequent source of chafe. Is this a problem you (or anyone else) has encountered with the Cataline Direct system?

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 09/11/2004 : 16:09:50

Hey Frank
Have you ever considered painting eyelashes on your boat over those bow lights?

Just looking out for you

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 09/11/2004 : 20:54:56

Hi all,

I did the install just like Frank. Don't freak about bending the tang.

I put a piece of junk 1/4 inch plywood between the tang and the bow and whacked (yes, whacked!) the tang with a ball-peen until it was the proper angle. Just get it close enough to know where to put the hole. When you drill, then tighten the bolts they will pull it right down.

Jim Williams
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Jack Heaston
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Response Posted - 09/11/2004 : 21:51:34

No longer for sale. The stem fitting has found a new home.
For Sale - New & Improved CD Stem Fitting w Anchor Bow Roller
Tried mounting my CD fitting this afternoon. Removed the old fitting and took the Dremel Tool to the fiberglass that was in the way of the tang extending down inside the aluminium rubrail channel. Ran into metal. Looked closer and lo and behold there was a #8 or #10 Philips pan head screw in the way. Closer examination showed not one but THREE screw heads on the bow under the rubrail channel right next to each other. The way the bow is made on my 1983 model, I doubt cutting out the rubrail channel all the way to the tan-colored rubrail material itself would provide enough room for the tang. Haven't figured out how to insert pictures in the Forum.
Gave up and rebedded the old fitting, which was a lot of fun.
I'll call CD Tuesday morning for a return authorization, but would like to see this fitting go to a good home. I really wanted a bow roller for anchoring, without the boat sailing around back and forth on one of the docking cleats, and this one is nicely made. Guess I'll fashion an anchoring bridle.
Anyway, the mint-condition bow fitting, backing plate, still in the package 3M 4200 sealant, and hardware package (CD felt that the 3/8 and 5/16 machine bolts, lock washers, washers, fender washers and nuts were extra, but somebody included them with my order by mistake) are available for $99. Total if ordered from CD would be $109+ $11 shipping, pluw whatever they get for the hardware package. Will ship to you no charge via UPS ground to anywhere in the continental US upon reciept of your check.
I'm really disappointed this didn't work out.
Have others had this problem?
Jack <hr noshade size="1">
PS - Also included free is some kind of a fitting with a large hexhead cap screw and clevis pin with cotter pin that CD included with the stem fitting that must be for the swing keel, since it doesn't go anywhere on my boat. Will email a picture if anyone's interested.
83 FK/SR 3944 Rag Act

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RichardG
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Response Posted - 09/12/2004 : 12:24:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">. I really wanted a bow roller for anchoring, without the boat sailing around back and forth on one of the docking cleats<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I really don't think the CD stem fitting/roller combo would help reduce swinging on an anchor (seems to me that all boats do it). The real beauty of a bow roller is that it allows you to pull the anchor up from back on the deck (much more stable), and not have to lean over the side. This becomes even more important if you have a big anchor, lots of chain, etc.

I have the basic Windline AR-2 (roller-only) which cost about $30 ([url="http://www.defender.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?keywords=WINDLINE&frames=yes&store=yes&search_request_button=Search"]Windline link[/url]) -- big bang for the buck. Some folks prefer bigger roller/anchor mounting combos, but they cost quite a bit more.

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 09/12/2004 : 19:31:11

Really easy bow roller analogue for anchor recovery - I have a carabeener on a loop of line that I can attach to my bow pulpit easily. When I want to haul the anchor, I put the rode in the beener and haul away. Magic. Total cost - free. I can even bring the rode back from that location to the primary winches to play windlass with.

jwa

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 09/12/2004 : 20:03:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by deastburn
 I installed a separate bow roller (Windline 9 from what I remember). Having the ability to drop a really good anchor (Delta 14 lb) easily when single-handing is a MAJOR safety improvement
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Dave: I have a 14# Delta and am interested in putting it on the bow (since it doesn't fit in the locker)... Could you check that Windline number (I don't see any 9s)--they have AR, BRM, DR, and URM series with several numbers in each. Also, how do you secure the Delta to it, and did you have to do anything to the anchor or roller to make that work?

Thanks for anything...

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