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SteveG
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Initially Posted - 10/04/2004 : 10:31:42

Hi All,

I went out to the boat a few weeks ago, when I lowered the motor down to the water it went in hard. I tried to pull it back up without success and then I noticed that I had bent the motor mount at one of the notches on the slide. This is original equipment from 1983. I had to pull into the dock, remove the motor, and pound the slide back into shape with a hammer. I don't want to do that again. Does anyone have a suggestion for a replacement? I don't want the same type of unit that came with the boat.

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Steve Gravel

Portsmouth, RI
C25 - 'Lady Jane'
SR/FK

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 10/04/2004 : 10:44:02

The reengineered OEM [url="http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=52"]Garhauer Motor Mount[/url] has been greatly improved. I had the same bent notch problem with my original 1985 plus difficulty lifting due to the single spring. The replacement is thicker construction, has two strong springs (i.e., motor practically lifts without help), and a Starboard backing plate. Well worth the $170! Plus the mount fits the existing mounting holes. ;-)

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 10/04/2004 : 10:56:30

The two most popular choices discussed here appear to be the heavy-duty Garelick "offshore" mount... or the Garhauer (garhauer.com or Catalina Direct).

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 10/04/2004 : 11:15:47

The two most popular choices discussed here appear to be the heavy-duty Garelick "offshore" mount... or the Garhauer (garhauer.com or Catalina Direct).

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 10/04/2004 : 11:27:09

Okay, Bruce, we get the point.

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SteveG
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Response Posted - 10/04/2004 : 13:11:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 The reengineered OEM [url="http://garhauermarine.com/catalog_process.cfm?cid=52"]Garhauer Motor Mount[/url] has been greatly improved... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Thanks for the information. The Garhauer looks almost like the same unit that I have now. I may have two springs, but the slide design is the same. Is the metal thicker? Has anyone had issue with the newer model?

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 10/04/2004 : 13:26:51

Hi Steve,

Mine is only one opinion, so hopefully others will chime in. However, Garhauer kept the same design except they have 1) beefed up all the components (especially the slide bars), 2) added a second spring, 3) added nylon bushings at the pivots, 4) added two additional mounting holes (making three on either side), 5) added a larger handle that is now made of nylon, and 6) replaced the teak backing board with a Starboard backing plate. All vast improvements and one of the most satisfying rehabs I've done on Antares.

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 10/04/2004 : 14:34:36

Steve,

I too bent the notched side pieces.

So using the side pieces as patterns I had a fabricator duplicate the shape in a heavier SS material. I also made them flat, without the little bend. Cost: $40.00.

At the same time I replaced all the bushings with a kit from Garhauer and put in larger sized bolt-pivots.

I already had added helper springs.

Net is my big Evinrude 4S 9.9 is about as hard to lift as the 2S Johnson I had, but the mount is much stronger.

Jim Williams
Hey Jude C25fk 2958
SF Bay

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familysailor
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Response Posted - 10/04/2004 : 19:04:59

Does anyone know the travel distance (up and down, not nautical miles) on the Garhauer mount?

Thanks,

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 10/04/2004 : 19:59:25

Steve: Which engine do you have? The updated Garhauer has the same basic design--welded tubes and sheet metal sides. The Garelick 71091 and a similar model from Fulton are made from cast aluminum U sections that IMHO are much stiffer and stronger. The 71091 is probably slighly overkill for an 8-10 hp high-thrust 4-stroke, but overkill is better than roadkill. There are many threads on this subject--some with pictures of the 71091. Use the Search function and try "bracket" or "Garelick". If I were buying a bracket right now, the 71091 is probably what I'd get, but I have a 108 lb. Honda 8 (on a Fulton 1810--similar to the Garelick).

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SteveG
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Response Posted - 10/05/2004 : 07:45:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 Steve: Which engine do you have? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Hi Dave,

I have a Mercury 9.9. I think it's a 2000 model. I looked at the specs on the Mercury web site and I'm guessing it probably weighs in at around 80-85 lbs. I'll have to pull out the manual and check on the specs.

Does anyone know what the desired travel distance is for the motor?

Thanks,

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 10/05/2004 : 08:17:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SteveG
 
Does anyone know what the desired travel distance is for the motor?
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You need at least 15". My last boat (#1205) came with a brand "X" mount that had only 9" of travel and it was not enough to get the prop really deep in choppy conditions. The Garelick 71091 has 17" of travel and will handle ANY outboard you would ever put on a Catalina 25. Only downside to the Garelick is cost - about $275 compared to $190 for the Garhauer.

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dhunt
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Response Posted - 10/05/2004 : 12:51:57

On an unmodified '78 C-25 (original mounting holes in the transom) is either the Garhauer or Garelick eaisier to install?

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 10/05/2004 : 13:31:38

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dhunt
 On an unmodified '78 C-25 (original mounting holes in the transom) is either the Garhauer or Garelick eaisier to install?
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If you have the tubular stainless Garhauer bracket, I'm pretty sure the new version matches the existing mounting holes. If you have the aluminum Fulton that apparently was original on some boats, you'll need to drill new holes and fill the old ones (Marine-Tex whatever) regardless of which bracket you choose. A Starboard plate between the bracket and the transom is also a good idea with any bracket. Otherwise, it's four carriage bolts either way. Nothing complicated.

Before drilling anything, figure out how high the bracket should be in both the up and down positions so the engine is at the proper depth when down, and can be tilted out of the water when up.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/05/2004 : 14:18:25

http://homepage.mac.com/fhopper/PhotoAlbum63.html

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 10/10/2004 : 21:42:28

West Marine has a good picture, they want 350 for the Garelick 70191 though:

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=82174

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