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rhewitt
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Nicaragua
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Initially Posted - 10/20/2004 :  23:46:52  Show Profile
I looked at boat today and wow what a mess...
Is the serial # 3354 and on the sail a given of when she was built?
I think it is around 1982.. can someone tell me for real. Is there a hump on the cabin sole port side that falls off toward the stove area a drop of some 2" from the ladder.
A lot of rot and water on the port bulkhead lots of leaks (and it rains a lot in the tropics). this is a true fixer upper project boat. holes everywhere in deck and cabin top where stuff had been. Lots of toys and elc. goodies but none worked and all wires cut along with wires at mast base. going to offer a low ball price on Thurs. Ralph Hewitt
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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 10/21/2004 :  00:18:31  Show Profile
She's an '82 and yes, the port side cabin sole drops in a curve at the galley, at least it does in my '82 swing keel.

Sounds like maybe the owner should pay you for taking a derelict off his hands.

Steve
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lcharlot
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Antigua and Barbuda
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Response Posted - 10/21/2004 :  00:47:30  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rhewitt</i>
<br />A lot of rot and water on the port bulkhead lots of leaks
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You really should have a marine surveyor go over the boat with a moisture meter and a tap hammer to look for dryrot, voids, and delamination. That plywood deck core is the "achilles heel" of all model years of Catalina 25's. Rotten bulkheads can be pulled out and replaced without too much difficulty, since they are bare wood and not laminated in fiberglass, but if water leaks have spread through large area of the deck core, there is not much you can do economically to fix it. Remember that a 1982 Catalina 25 swing keel (without a trailer) in GOOD condition here in the US is only worth maybe $6000, and $6000 does not buy a whole lot of boat repair nowadays. I have seen Cat 22's and 25's that were involved in MINOR collisions get TOTALLED by the insurance company because even a few man-hours of shop repair labor would cost more than the whole boat was worth. You would almost certainly be better off taking the $$$ that you would have to put into rehabilitating a fixer-upper, and buying an '85-'87 Catalina 25 in good condition with no leaks and no dryrot. Boats like this can be had for only $8000, or even less in the winter months. Good luck!
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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 10/21/2004 :  10:40:38  Show Profile
Heck, here's a freshwater '83 for only $4500 with a roller furler, a low-hours 4-stroke Honda and all kinds of new stuff on it. Bet you'd end up with more $$ than that in your fixer-upper by the time you're done. (Wish this had been available when I was looking.)

http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7857

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 10/21/2004 :  11:11:28  Show Profile
Guys ... Ralph is in <b>Nicaragua</b> ... I doubt he has much of a choice when it comes to buying <b>any</b> sailboat, to say nothing of C-25s ...

I'd also be willing to bet that finding a marine surveyor will be a tough job, and getting parts for repairs won't be a piece of cake either.

I think you've got your work cut out for you, Ralph ... good luck!
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 10/21/2004 :  17:54:33  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Lots of toys and elc. goodies but none worked and all wires cut along with wires at mast base.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

That seems to be a common trick. "Oh, all the electronics work, I just haven't had time to hook 'em back up."

"Well, if you hadn't cut the wires they'd still be hooked up." As I walked away.

I don't know how many times I heard that when I was shopping for a boat.
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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 10/21/2004 :  20:38:52  Show Profile
Hmmmm... Nicaragua... Great buy in Texas... (It sounds pretty good, anyway!) Can you get Honda parts in Nicaragua?

Those holes in the deck and coachroof, in a tropical climate, make me very doubious. The plywood core could be in worse shape than the port bulkhead. The fix for the core is a tedious process of drilling a matrix of holes through the glass, letting the core dry for a few months (in dry air), injecting penetrating epoxy, and covering up the holes... Is that worth it for a boat in Nicaragua? The eletronics are red herrings--easily replaced but at best worthless as part of a worthless boat.
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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/21/2004 :  20:58:07  Show Profile  Visit JimB517's Homepage
He wrote to me a private message saying he passed on the boat. Long term neglect in the tropics is fatal.
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