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Use my Storm and 110 Jib while having a 150 Roller

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roberoo
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Initially Posted - 10/21/2004 : 22:06:01

Okay I searched and did not get a clear answer. How can I use my Storm or 110 while I have a Roller Furler setup. I don't want to have to remove the 150 and put the other sails(s) on each time.

Someone mentioned using another Forestay, but isn't the 25 a little small for that?

I ordered the Harken Roller Furler from Catalina Direct and am having my 150 modified to fit it I am going to make sure I get the foam Luff.

Thanks for any and all help.

Bob Sirekis
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Buffalo, New York

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/21/2004 : 22:12:06

Well done on the Harken!!! I bet you are so happy with the sail shape you don't worry about adding a sail. There are products that amount to a slings, you could fabricate something. If the wind is so high that you need a storm then sail shape will not matter. I would however seriously consider having the 150 cut down to 130.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/22/2004 : 13:25:31

I have 2 forestays. Its really cool. You can roll up your normal headsail and hank on others. I have a 135 on the roller, a 110 and 155 for hanking. I'd like to get a storm jib. I also have a spinnaker.

The roller is attached about 4 inches behind the headstay at the bow. Proper tension on the roller stay is critical to keep it from wrapping around the headstay when rolling.

With two headstays you have built in redundancy for offshore reliability.

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 10/22/2004 : 13:30:46

Jim,
How do you tack the hanked on sail?

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 10/22/2004 : 13:35:46

<font color="blue">Jim, How do you tack the hanked on sail? - John</font id="blue">

Hi Jim,

I was wondering the same thing ... doesn't your hanked-on headsail get wrapped around the roller furling sail?

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 10/22/2004 : 19:20:49

Remove the hanks on the 110 or storm sail. Instal a wire like a stay on the leading edge of the sail (the luff) have it sewn in by a sail loft. Have a hank on both ends. Hank it to the bow tack and haul it up with the genny outhaul. Snap shackle the sheets. ?

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 10/23/2004 : 02:55:13

drop the rolled up sail to the deck and tie it to the stanchions, or roll it up and put it in a sail bag. I have the older Schaffer with the wire sewn inside the sail leading edge, not the kind you have where the sail is run up a slot in a plastic track. My whole rig - rollers and all, is hoisted on the jib halyard. Works good for furling, not so good for reefing. Very simple, its just a bearing for the top, a drum at the bottom and a sail with a wire sewn into the luff and some leather that makes it end up looking rather similar to your track.

Guess this system wouldn't work so well for the most of you. But then you can put smaller sails on your roller gear if you want to. Gary changes his all the time - he has a 110 and a 150 that he runs up his roller track depending on wind.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 10/23/2004 : 10:11:28

If I'm not mistaking, the only way to use multiple sails on a foil, is to use a twin groove foil and have all your extra sails modified with the "luff strip"(??). I don't know the cost, but if you're really into racing I suppose this would be worth the expense. Check with CD or Harken to see if a double-groove foil is available for your furler. I'd be interested in knowing what yuo find out as I plan on adding a furler in the spring and enjoy club racing as well as cruising.

Al
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roberoo
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Response Posted - 10/23/2004 : 21:54:43

Thanks for all of the replies. I guess there is no simple answer. What I was afraid of is that I would end up changing my sails even with the roller furling. Which is why I am getting the furler in the first place.

Doug I like your idea. But then the question of how do you tack with the roller in the way.

Unless is it possible to put the hanked on sail on the inside of the roller?

I also think I may cut the 150 down to a a 135. Which may make this whole question a moot point.

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Greg Jackson
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Response Posted - 10/23/2004 : 22:40:44

I would tend to agree, the inner forestay is a bit silly on such a little boat. You also don't have a good strong place to fasten it to the deck.

The dual slot foils are really for racing. It allows them to switch sails without ever being without a sail for a few seconds.

The best answer for a real gale is the gale sail by ATN. http://www.atninc.com/gale.html
They make the best spinnaker sleeve around, and their gale sail is an excellent idea for most serious crusers.

Having said that, I doubt there are many C25's that really need to be prepared to withstand a full gale. If it gets that bad, your boat is going to be in trouble simply for the freeboard it has.

My solution was to get a 120 or so that would furl down to about 80%. It's not a regular C25 sail. I got it as a used sail, it was originally a staysail or yankee on a larger cutter. It has a pretty short foot but high angle so it rolls well. As a used sail, it was cheap, nearly new, and a much heavier cloth than would have been put on a C25.

I also have a little roller thingie that helps feed it into the track. If the sail is folded just right, I can hoist it into the roller furling track while sailing solo in a pretty good breeze. I have been able to hoist it in 20 knot wind. If I know it's only going to 20 knots, I'll generally just furl up the genny and deal with lower performance. If the weatherman tells me that it's going to 25 knots or more, then I'll put up the smaller sail. Furling it down to about 80% or so, and the second reef in the main, and the C25 is still easy to control in 30 knot winds.

G. Jackson
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joe keith
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Response Posted - 10/23/2004 : 23:31:41

I have the Seldon Furlex roller with a 150% on it. I also have a 110% that is used maybe 10 times a year. The 110% was made with the luff tape. I find that changing between the two is no big deal and have often done it single handed. For a storm sail I bought the ATN gale sail that hanks around the furled sail. I have never actually used it in conditions where it was needed. Just once in about 25 knots of wind to see if it would work. So I can not speak to how well it might work. It is a very small sail (about 30 square feet) and was not enough in 25 knots.

At any rate most of the time I enjoy the convenance of the roller furler with the 150%. If I want a smaller sail it is no more difficult than a traditional hanked system to change down. And if it is ever needed I can get a storm sail up without having to deal with a big sail on the fore deck. I think it covers my needs very well with no modifications to the boat.

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