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frich
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Initially Posted - 12/02/2004 :  16:04:16  Show Profile  Visit frich's Homepage
Hi All

One of my winter projects is to install (2) Double Rope Clutches, with deck organizers.

I appreciate any insight into the placement especially of the organizers. How does one get the correct angle ( I assume 45 degrees) Should I lay out the halyards that will go aft on the deck in order to place the Organizers?

Thanks & Happy Holidays to all

Frank R
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Dave Laux
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Response Posted - 12/02/2004 :  17:24:02  Show Profile
Bisecting the angle in the line is less important than getting a fair lead in and out. Experiment with the boat rigged and the lines lead to where they need to go. Dave
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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 12/02/2004 :  18:12:35  Show Profile  Visit Leon Sisson's Homepage
Frank R,

I agree with what Dave Laux said. Here's how I went about leading my lines aft.

I started by listing all the lines I might ever lead aft.

Then I figured out how to turn all those lines at the mast base. I used a mast base plate with about 10 attachment points. Since I have a sliding gooseneck, I decided not to route my main outhaul to the deck.

Next, I figured out how I would stop all those lines at the aft edge of the coach roof. I chose two 3-line clutches for the six most heavily loaded lines, and a second level of lighter lines lead to camcleats with fairleads. I left room aft of the clutches for cabin top winches. Getting all that to fit on my 1979 deck required relocating the cabintop handrails outboard a bit and forward a lot.

Once all that was in position, I ran temporary lines through two-level 6-sheave deck organizers which were free to slide around on deck. I then experimented with positioning the organizers to get the best lead from the mast, and along side the pop-top. I then made some minor adjustments in position to avoid having any mounting screws right on the edge if that thick sort of overhead arch just aft of the main bulkhead in the cabin.

All hardware is thru-bolted. All holes were drilled 2x oversize, filled with epoxy reinforced with milled fiberglass, and then redrilled to final size. Stainless steel fender washers were used as backing plates on all thru-deck fasteners.

I've been using this setup for a couple of years, and I'm still quite pleased with it.

-- Leon Sisson
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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 12/02/2004 :  19:45:12  Show Profile
Like Leon, I layed out the system by running lines through the organizers and back, and then moving the organizers around on the cabintop. I ended up with them positioned somewhat aft of the mast, which reduces the load on them by making the angle more obtuse. I angled them more fore-and-aft (not 45 degrees), so the lines run very closely together past the pop-top. I used triple organizers and double clutches on both sides, with the expectation I might add a cam cleat for a third line on each side. In retrospect, I probably would do triple clutches... But as a relatively casual sailor, I'm not dealing with anywhere near as many lines as Leon.

Whatever you choose to do, you'll love having those lines led back!
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/02/2004 :  19:57:25  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage


Edited by - Frank Hopper on 12/02/2004 20:01:40
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Dave Bristle
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Ya, like that!
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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 12/02/2004 :  21:16:25  Show Profile  Visit Leon Sisson's Homepage
Great job, Frank and Martha. As Dave said, " Ya, like that!"
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frich
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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 :  07:30:30  Show Profile  Visit frich's Homepage
Dave

Thanks for the photos, as usual you guys have made my installation easier.

Thanks again

Frank R
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Dave Bristle
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<br />Dave

Thanks for the photos, as usual you guys have made my installation easier.

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That wasn't me--it was Frank Hopper.
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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 12/08/2004 :  16:29:20  Show Profile
Frank,

I suggest that you install triple clutches. You will find uses for them I promise. They are only marginally more expensive than doubles.

On Hey Jude I followed Bill Holcombe's layout, with a triple on each side of the poptop and a pair of rotating jaw cleats on the mast about a foot up from the cabin top.

I have the main halyard, reef 1 and reef 2 on the stbd, because they work together.

The port clutches have the topping lift, spinnaker down haul, spinnaker pole lift.

The two turning cleats on the mast are the boom down haul and the clew out haul because they work together. The boom vang connects to the base plate. All three bitter ends I just drop into the cabin.

Jim Williams
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Bruce Baker
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Response Posted - 12/20/2004 :  14:52:42  Show Profile
I second the suggestion of triple clutches. I put doubles on my boat, and I've regretted it ever since.
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