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Johnson 9.9 well suited for C250?

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Capt. Kurt
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Initially Posted - 12/02/2004 : 16:06:32

Is the Johnson 9.9 a good outboard for a C250? I'm worried that 107lbs on the starboard side will make the boat tilt a little. Is the factory battery ok for this motor?

Here are the specs.

Johnson Outboard
MODEL YEAR 2004
MODEL J10TEL4
ENGINE TYPE 4-Stroke 2 cyl, In-line SOHC (Single Overhead Cam) 2 Valves/Cyl.
HORSEPOWER 9.9 HP @ 4500-5500 RPM
DISPLACEMENT 18.4 cu. in.
BORE & STROKE 2.28 x 2.24 in.
RPM RANGE 4500-5500 RPM
FUEL INDUCTION SYSTEM Single Carburetor
STARTING SYSTEM Electric and Manual Auto Rewind
ALTERNATOR 7 Amp
GEAR RATIO 1.92:1
GEAR SHIFT F-N-R
COOLING SYSTEM Temperature Controlled Water Cooled
STEERING SYSTEM Tiller (Remote acc.)
TRIM SYSTEM 5 Tilt-pin Positions
SHAFT LENGTH 20 in./White
WEIGHT 107 lbs.

Kurt C-250 #818

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/02/2004 : 19:02:01

Have you studied the recent history of Johnson/Evenrude? You left out a very important spec, what is the price? What would compel someone to buy outside the Honda, Yamaha, Nissan(Tohatsu) trinity of real sailboat motor manufacturers?

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 : 04:28:24

Kurt,

You may find this discussion helpful:

http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8104

Good luck with whatever you decide on.

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Capt. Kurt
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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 : 08:22:12

Thanks, that was a good thread to read.

I have a couple more questions:

Do I need to make any modifications to the transom to carry 107lbs on a 2004 C250?
Will the long shaft only be a problem when waves are big, or will it be a constant issue with the prop coming out of the water?
Is the factory battery a deep cycle?

Thanks!
Kurt

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 : 09:09:46

Hey Kurt, you do not say which model of 250 you have but here is the skinny... if you have the wing keel, you absolutly must have an extra long shaft motor as the wing keel sits 3-4 inches higher in the water than does the water ballast. The water ballast can get by with a long shaft fairly well for inland lake sailing but an extra long shaft is needed for more agressive waters like Great Lakes, Great Salt Lake, or ocean sailing.

Also, in your motor quest, do not be sold the song and dance that a 9.9 is required.... either an 8 or 9.9 are equally suitable for the 250, there is absolutely no advantage of of the larger over the smaller, if anything, the 8 is more suitable if it is cheaper, lighter or consumes less fuel.

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Capt. Kurt
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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 : 11:07:06

Thanks for the information, this is good to know (Yes, it is a wing keel.)

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Jeff McK
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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 : 15:02:28

Kurt,

I've got a Honda 9.9 (extra-long shaft) that works just fine for me. It also has electric start (manual backup) & an alternator. It clamps right to the transom but does not seem to affect the handling much. Given the total displacement & mass of the keel I don't think its much of an issue. The center of the prop is 32" from the top of the transom and scoots the boat along nicely. I have not encountered much of a problem with the prop coming out of the water. Gotta admit that at a little over 115# it's a handful to get on & off the boat, and almost wish I'd gone to a smaller engine.

I don't know your knowledge of batteries or what you have, so will just give you my battery specs. My battery is an Exide "Nautilus" dual purpose wet cell. It lists at 625 Marine Cranking Amps, 500 Cold Cranking Amps, 70 Ah & 120 minute reserve capacity. This has been more than adequate for my needs so far.

Best of luck!

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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 : 17:30:19

Thanks so much for the advice everyone, I almost made a big mistake in that Johnson 9.9 longshaft on my fin keel C250! I went with a Yamaha T9.9EXH2D. Its new for 2005; 9.9hp, 4 stroke, elec. start, 25" XL shaft, tiller with high torque prop. I searched online but could find very little on this motor, even on the yamaha website.

BTW, the motor dealer was telling me that in a few weeks there will be a tariff on this motor which will add 22% to the price. Something about a lawsuit involving Mercury? I don't know if he was pulling my chain to convince me that now is the time to buy, but was curious if anyone else had heard this.

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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 : 17:51:33

Kurt,

It sounds like the Yamaha is a direct challenger for the one I've got. Yamaha makes good motors, so hope it works well for you.

I had not heard anything about the tariff issue you mentioned.

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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 : 18:31:03

http://www.boatus.com/consumer/enginedump.asp

I found some info on the new tariff. Summary: Japanese companies are accused by US Gov of dumping prices on outboards in US, hence the need for a tariff.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/03/2004 : 19:44:07

Well done Kurt.

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Wayne Wallace
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Response Posted - 12/04/2004 : 10:29:53

For my WK 250 I bought in May of this year the Tohatsu 9.9, XLS with electric start, 4 stroke. It weighs in at 93 Lbs and is very, very smooth and quiet. The cost delivered by my dealer in SO California was $1,900.00. If you have not bought yet be sure you check it out.

Wayne Wallace
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Response Posted - 12/04/2004 : 19:14:28

Kurt;
I got a Nissan (Tohatsu) about 3 weeks ago, it is a replacement for a Honda 9.9, the engine was delivered to my door for $1919 (no sales tax). We find the Nissan very quiet, and smooth, pushes the boat along very well, probably as well as the Honda 9.9 We only sold the Honda cuz it didn't have an electric start, it was in every respect a super quality engine. The transom on our 250wb had no problem with the weight of the honda, and certainly not with the Nissan/Tohatsu.
Bill c250wb #134

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Capt. Kurt
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Response Posted - 12/05/2004 : 22:24:25

Thanks for the tips on the nissan, sounds like a great motor. I already bought the yamaha, so i'm stuck with it.. I will let you know how it goes. Good thing is there is a boat dealer near my work that carries yamaha parts instock.

Kurt

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