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atgep
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Initially Posted - 12/14/2004 : 18:30:52

I stumbled into this on ebay. Would be one of the much sought after non poptop models. Needs a bunch of work, but hey, it's WINTER!

http://www.usauctions.com/BoatPictures.aspx?BoatID=5724

Tom.

PO of 1988 Wing HN 5775
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At Ease
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Response Posted - 12/14/2004 : 18:58:25

Just kind of makes you sick doesn't it? One minute a perfectly good boat, next minute...needs lots and lots of work. Reminds me of some helicopters in a previous life in SE Asia...one minute a fine flying machine, the next a burning wreckage, not worth anything.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 20:31:40

Remind me not to buy any used boat in Florida. Can you imagine the bondo artists buying these boats and selling them as "lightly used"

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 21:00:12

I figure minimum cost to put this boat back in service, assuming you could do all the work yourself and no serious structural damage:
1. Repair 3" hole in portside of hull, need glass cloth, resin, gelcoat and other fiberglass materials: $200
2. Replace main and headsail: $700 for used (good condition), $1600 for new sails.
3. New rudder and tiller: $500
4. New main sheets, jib sheets and boom vang including blocks, shackles, and 3/8" Sta-Set line, $400
5. New house battery: $60
6. All new lighting fixtures inside and out - I assume the originals would be ruined from salt water immersion for many days: $300
7. Re wire ENTIRE electrical system inside and outside, including mast wiring and new switch panel: rough guess $400
8. Replace outboard motor: $800 ~ $2400 depending on what you want, new or a good used one.
9. Replace all interior cushions (I assume the originals ones are ruined): $600 do-it-yourself, $1500 professional or Catalina Factory cushions
10. Replace missing dinette table and hardware: $300 (do-it-yourself)
11: Replace missing interior trim (all the pinrails appear to be gone): $300
12: Replace stove: $300 for an Origo 3000

And I bet I have only thought of a small fraction of the total number of repairs and replacements a buyer would have to make. I think the best that that boat can hope for is to end up with the Sea Scouts; they could repair and refurbish her using donated supplies and equipment, and have a lot of fun sailing her. I don't think there is much hope that a private buyer would want her considering that you can get a turn-key C-25 fin keel, in nice condition and well equipped, for about $6,000.

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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 21:34:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by At Ease
 Reminds me of some helicopters in a previous life in SE Asia...one minute a fine flying machine, the next a burning wreckage, not worth anything.
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Don't know if this is true, but a few years ago, a WWII PTO (Pacific Theater of Operations) vet told me that in late 1945 and early 1946, as US forces were being demobilized and sent home and bases were being shut down, that on some of the more remote US bases in the South Pacific, orders were given that perfectly useable equipment was to be bulldozed into the sea, or otherwise destroyed. The reason given at the time was that the US Government had determined that it was not economical to ship this surplus stuff 10,000 miles back home, but we also did not want military equipment to possibly fall into "the wrong hands" if we left it intact after abandoning these bases. Most of this "surplus equipment" was probably worn out junk and spares for obsolete hardware, and surplus vehicles of little intrinsic value like jeeps and small trucks, but it included such items as intact, still operational aircraft, including P-38's and P-51's! Airplanes that would be now be worth as much as $30 million to "warbird" collectors and air-racing enthusiasts if they were still in existance today! Like I said, I don't know if this story was a fable or actually happened, but it sounds possible plausible, from what little I have read about the chaotic conditions prevailing as WWII wound down and the military downsized back to "peacetime" readiness and inventory conditions. It's heartbreaking to collectors to know that at one time, the "boneyard" at Davis-Monthan AFB was crammed full of "classic" airframes, some of which, like the B-29 Superfortress, exist today in only a single still-flying example (Fifi). Most of those thousands of other planes and helicopters were eventually sold to, and melted down by, aluminum recyclers, same as a soda or beer can

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Dan86
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 22:06:14

Just curious, what makes the non poptop so desirable? Dan

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 22:54:26

Jacques Cousteau did a documentary on some of those iron surplus graveyards. Its in his complete set (I have it on VHS - remember that?!?!). The documentary is complete with footage of the US Army corps of Engineers employing many inventive ways of sending surplus to the deeps.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 12/16/2004 : 08:26:39

This boat would make a good club racer for someone interested only racing. In that case, a good cleaning/waxing, bottom job/repair, running rigging and lights, sails, and new rudder are all that are needed. A motor is not a prerequisite to sail a boat. I keep mine on a mooring and probably used the motor once or twice last season. It's a nice to have option though. Depending on the eventual auction price, and cost of a trailer, I'll bet the actual cost to restore the boat to usable condition would not be unreasonable.

Just a thought,

Al
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/17/2004 : 11:20:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dan86
 Just curious, what makes the non poptop so desirable? Dan

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more usable deck space for crew and controls.

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Dan86
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Response Posted - 12/17/2004 : 15:00:44

thanks, Thats what mine is, but I was not aware of the "advantage" over the poptop. Dan

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 12/18/2004 : 16:26:06

Also, if you get caught in rough conditions, the pop top is not as sturdy as the hard top.

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