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Wildcat
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Initially Posted - 12/15/2004 : 00:10:15

I have been looking at the CDI Roller Furling and want to go that way. I have an older 150 but I was thinking to getting a 135. Found a package deal off one of the postings here and it looks pretty good. Would like to know the advantages and disadvantages with the 150 retofit and the new 135. Being a newbe and spending a bunch, I would like it from the pros as to which way to go. It is not the money but the best for the boat I am looking at. Inland lake, strong at winds at time and sailing alone all factor in. Thanks

Wildcat----Sailing year around on Lake Mead.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 07:49:33

You may be a newbie on the board but your post shows you know what you are talking about. I do not currently own a furler. I sail an inland high wind lake. I would go 135. make sure that the CDI rig you have chosen has the ball bearings, in a high wind area you will spend a great deal of time with the headsail reefed and you want that to be as easy and controllable as possible. I sailed with a 135 and a reefed main a fair bit last summer and the boat liked it.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 08:30:37

I agree with Frank. I am switching to roller furling this year and having North sails convert my 150 to a 135. In my opinion, the 150 tends to blanket the main and causes the boat to be less weatherly (able to sail efficiently to windward)than is normal for even a wing keel. This is condition is aggravated if equipped with older, baggier sails and by the short mainsheet traveler. I may be wrong but I believe that most C25 owners who have had experience with this issue will agree that upwind efficency is best with a 135.

Al
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Todd Frye
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 18:32:20

I just installed a new 150 jib and CDI roller fuller last year. My SR SK Cat 25 came with a hanked on 130 jib and partial battened (factory standard) main, single reef. The 150 was still in the bag along with the roller furler system when I bought the boat. I have three years experience with the 130 and last season with the 150. I could tell a noticeable difference with the 150. In light air we moved nicely along. In high winds (20-35 mph) the sail was easily reduced with the roller furler. I now feel like I can control the balance of the boat through a broader range of wind conditions. No complaints on the 150. Todd Frye

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 21:43:55

The main thing to consider when determining headsail size for a furler (or hank on) is to consider the local conditions. Someone sailing in windier areas, such as San Francisco, might opt for a smaller headsail whereas someone on a small inland lake with lighter winds might go for a 155.

Of the times I sail, the 135 on my Harken furler is the right sail about 75-80% of the time for the prevaling winds in my area..

As for the disadvantages of converting your "older" 150, along with adding a luff tape for the furler, it will also need to be recut to shorten the luff and move the clew higher up. If you want to more effectively reef the 150, it will need some form of device (foam or rope) sewn into the sail to allow it to flatten as it is reefed. Additionally, it will need some kind of UV cover.

Since all of these modifications might approach the cost of a new purpose built furling sail, I would be inclined to go new and look into just having the luff modified on the "older" 150 for use on those light wind days.

Edited by - dlucier on 12/15/2004 21:48:52

ronrryan
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Response Posted - 12/15/2004 : 22:56:28

Orion has a 135 and I like it. I added tyhe ball bearings to my FF4 and it made a great positive difference, more than I would have expected. Fair winds, ron srsk #2343 SW FL

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 12/16/2004 : 08:35:47

Don,

I understood the disadvantages of converting my near-new 150 to a 135. In fact I included a new 135 in my initial negotiations with my sail maker, North Sails. However, North is doing a package deal that includes converting my one year old 110 for roller furling, adding all the goodies to the converted 135 and 110, adding full battens to my one year old main, and assembling a new Schaffer SnapFurl for me, for far less than the cost of a new 135. The furler is extra of course. All in all a very good deal which will set me up for single-handed cruising for the next few years.

Al
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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 12/16/2004 : 15:47:32

Robert,

CDI's FF4 is an excellent investment. I have a 150 jib and wish I had a 135 for all the abovementioned reasons. SF Bay is extremely variable, 5kts to 30kts depending where you are during the summer. I thought a 150 would be best, but I spend half the time furled 25% or more, even with foam luff, losing a corresponding amount of shape and drive.

If your conditions are such that you need to furl at all, go with the smaller roller furler jib.

Jim Williams
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SF Bay

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/16/2004 : 18:39:28

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by aeckhart
 Don,

"I understood the disadvantages of converting my near-new 150 to a 135..."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Al,

My post about converting a 150 was directed at Robert and his "older" 150 not yours. In your situation, converting a "newer" 150 was the better way to go.

Sorry if my post sounded like I was saying you made the wrong choice.

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Wildcat
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Response Posted - 12/16/2004 : 20:38:22

Thanks for all the information. I have been thinking the 135 new would be the way to go, but the Admeral, as you guys call her, the wife needed to read the postings to make her go along with it. The check is in the mail for the payoff on the help in letting her find the way. My PO kept the Wildcat in good condition but did not sail much. Think he just liked setting in it at the dock. I still have some work to do on it but I am getting there. None of the plumbing works, sink and head but I have had no call to use them. Wife wants the head working. By many of the postings I think replace would be better than repair, almost the same cost, well that is what I told the Admeral.
Thanks again.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 12/17/2004 : 08:16:29

Don,

No offense taken. We have a number of new and fairly new sailers on the forum that would like as much info as possible. I look at any exchange here as a teaching point-counter point. Although I am not a student of the science of sailing, after 25 years I pretty much understand the basic mechanics of sailing and know what makes my tall rig go. In the majority of cases, I will defer to the knowledge and experience of our "master marine consultants", and support you with affirming info when I can.

Al
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 12/17/2004 : 11:17:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by aeckhart
 ...In the majority of cases, I will defer to the knowledge and experience of our "master marine consultants", and support you with affirming info when I can...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I only wish that my sailing knowledge had a direct correlation to my current rank, but alas...

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 12/17/2004 : 11:21:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dlucier
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by aeckhart
 ...In the majority of cases, I will defer to the knowledge and experience of our "master marine consultants", and support you with affirming info when I can...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I only wish that my sailing knowledge had a direct correlation to my current rank, but alas...

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
ditto

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