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thats not mahogany....its teak

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Arlyn Stewart
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Initially Posted - 01/29/2005 : 20:12:28

About to take on a building project of a new cabin table. I've been taking measurements and drawing and ordered some hinges (flush mount) for the top which will follow the convention of folding out to expand the table and make a smaller fiddled table when closed.

Twenty five years ago (just before I became a sailor), I bought a lathe and thinking the dunnage was mahogany, I stored it in the barn attic. Pulling it out today, I noticed that a bunch of it was darker than the rest and after running a piece through the planer... I discovered that in fact about a third of it is teak. Then I remembered that I had also bought an imported milling machine and it appears that one or the other had teak crating.

A nice supprize.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224

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Alan Therrien
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Response Posted - 01/31/2005 : 17:32:33

Arlyn,

Anxious to hear what your design approach will be. I'm considering making a table with folding leaves that could double as flooring for an expanded mid-cabin berth. I'm thinking of using the same pedestal that came with the 250 WK (just two different height aluminum pipes - one for settee height berth, and one for table height/eating). I plan to design fold out supports for each corner to support the body weight at the lower level.

I think I may need to use hardwood to take the weight of an adult sleeper.

What is your plan?

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 01/31/2005 : 21:47:43

Plans are finished, I have the wood, and I'm waiting on hinges.

Plan is for a table 24x26 with 6" leaves that fold on top so when folded the 12x26 table is fiddled.

To keep it from sticking too far aft, I will likely make a cutout for the post as well as some drink cutouts outboard of the post.

Will use Catalina's tubular support so it can be used in the cockpit as well and thats the primary reason for the drink cutouts as the cabin coffee table has them close.

One requirement is adequate fiddles to secure a lap top and because of the lap top shape, one inch are needed. The fiddles will not be full length so that the corners can be rounded.

When open for eating, there will be no fiddles of course.

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Response Posted - 02/02/2005 : 21:02:34

Arlyn,

Good luck with the project. It sounds great. We'll look forward to seeing pictures of the finished product.

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Greg Jackson
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Response Posted - 02/07/2005 : 22:25:29

It might be teak, or it could be a number of other things. In the midwest we have a couple dozen species of commercial lumber. In any particular forest, there might be a half dozen at most. In tropical forests a single stand of lumber might contain 100 difference species.

30 years ago a friend of mine made a hobby of collecting crates from Asian motorcycle dealers and piano dealers. He would take the crates apart and collect the lumber. This was in Madison, Wisconsin, the home of the USDA's Forest Products Research Laboratory. He often took samples into the Lab where the PhD's would have fun trying to figure out which each one was, out of the hundreds of heavy dark teak-like species. I think you'll have a great table.

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Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 19:49:12

I would really like to see some pictures when finished. I'm not fimiliar with fiddles. But a friend of mine had a teak yacht table that I found very interesting. It was small. But the leaves folded down on each side (hinged). And to keep them raised up the table was turned on it's pedestal, rather than the usual way of raising the leaf and sliding out a support piece. I'll attempt a CAD drawing to explain.

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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 20:44:35

Here is my attempt. The leaves are hinged at the bottom side and the whole top portion is rotated to align with the bottom so they drop down.

drawing by Ben using TurboCADv5

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 21:05:46

Neat idea... I considered the drop down leaves but a design need is fiddles to keep things on the table while sailing, especially the lap top. The fiddles of course are not wanted playing cards or eating at anchor so the simplest solution is to put them on the bottom of the leaves and fold the leaves on top of the table rather than letting them hang.

Drawing done with Microsoft Paint

[url="http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/cabintable.jpg"]table drawing[/url]

Edited by - Arlyn Stewart on 02/09/2005 21:07:22

Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 21:27:43

I found the drawing on the 250 board. Pretty good! I could never get Paint to do anything but scribble. How did you manage to get an iso out of it? The plan looks like a plan! Having the fiddles on the bottom when extended is genius. And having the laptop staying put is a must. Last time I was out my ships batteries broke loose in their compartment. No damage, but could have been. I made a new dinette for Chick-a-pea but only copied the old one so I could have a little more natural finish. But it isn't exotic wood. Only stained ply. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, right? I just finish another cubby hole in the aft berth starboard side. It also is stained plywood. But I was deperate to have a place for reading material and the required <u>Rules of the Road</u> for OUPV. I'll take a pic next time I'm out.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 02/09/2005 : 21:46:32

Ben, doing a drawing with Microsoft paint takes a little practice but with any thing else goes quicker after a short while... it took about 1 1/2 hours. The iso is all in the head from past drafting experience so is done free hand as paint has no drafting mechanism.

Can't take credit for the design, the flip over the top concept to get the fiddles on top is well established as there are hinges made especially for the purpose.

The things different are the support structure to mount on the Catalina supplied tubing legs and also my materiel finished out at 11/32 so it must have enough frame structure to both keep it from cupping and to proved screw holding for the hinges.

I'm developing a progress page and will add a link here if it gets far enough along.

[url="http://www.stewartfam.net/arlyn/cabintable.html"]Construction Progress[/url]

Edited by - Arlyn Stewart on 02/09/2005 22:39:19

Ben - FL
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Response Posted - 02/10/2005 : 21:13:12

I was out to the dock today and so here are a couple of pictures of the cubby hole.

There it is on the starboard aft.

I did not attach the shelf to the ledger board so that it would float a little in case the hull moves differently than the cockpit.

Previously I have made a removable shelf for the V-berth. It has a couple of "fiddles" as you call them to hold it in place.

The reason I was out there was because I finally found an OPD valve for the LP tank. That has been the biggest pain in the @$$ since they passed the law here. So now all I have to do is install it next time the tank runs out. Mean time it is in the tank box for safe keeping.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 02/10/2005 : 21:54:26

Shelf idea looks great. That is otherwise dead space back there... looks like a noteworthy item for the Mainsheet Tech column.

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