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darkpup
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Initially Posted - 03/26/2002 : 00:05:36

I've read from different forum threads that the back rest between the two settees folds down to provide a v berth. However, from the photos I've seen and my time on a C250 at the Pacific Sail Expo last year it's hard to believe that two adults could sleep in the v berth.

I currently own a C22 (1972 sk #1535) and was wondering how the v berth of the C250 compares to the v berth of my C22.

Jason Wyatt
Aegir's Wind #1535 C22
Roseville, Ca

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mday
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Response Posted - 03/26/2002 : 00:55:25

Jason,

I think you're right ... it's a little cramped for two. I'm 6' and
around 200 lbs and usually find myself extending down one side. My
wife (who's much more petite) usually sleeps mostly on the other side, but complains it's a bit narrow. The aft berth is much
roomier, but has very low headroom.

Max

Max Day
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Lake Pleasant, AZ

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Steve Raffel
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Response Posted - 03/26/2002 : 07:50:03

My adult son and I went on a 2 night cruise last year. He slept in the V bert and found if very comfortable. It is too small for 2 adults. It would be fine for 2 young kids.

Steve Raffel
C 250 WK #408

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darkpup
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Response Posted - 03/26/2002 : 10:22:32

Steve, Max,

Thanks for the information guys. Fortunately for my wife and I, we're not that tall. I'm 5'9" and she is 5'7". I was hoping she and I could sleep in the V berth, and my 6'+ friends could sleep in the aft berth when they tag along. Though the fact that taller people can stretch out on the settees is a plus for putting them up front.

The both of us can stuff ourselves in the V berth or our C22, but it is tight and the headroom isn't that great. My wife, who can be a bit claustrophobic (sp?), was a bit nervous to sleep up front for about a year, but now enjoys it because she can stretch out.

The V berth issue is one of the determining factors of whether I'll buy a C250 wk or a C25 wk. I'll make a note to fold down the v berth when I visit the Pac. Sail Expo in a few weeks.

Jason Wyatt
Aegir's Wind #1535 sk
Roseville, Ca

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andy
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Response Posted - 03/26/2002 : 14:56:27

I,ve never slept on a C22 but the wife and I sleep very comfortably in the V berth of our C250WB. I'm 6'5" and the wife is 5'10". We just take the seat back rest out and set it on the side. I believe that's why its removeable... I could't imagine trying it with the seat back on. The rear berth is ok but we don't like the lack of headroom back there with the WB. It makes a great place to put all your "stuff"..

Andy Anderson
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McCall, Idaho

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darkpup
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Response Posted - 03/26/2002 : 15:19:20

Andy,

It almost sounds like my v berth is more similar to your rear berth. At 6'5" you'd never fit into the v berth of a C22. My partner on the boat is 6'4" and when the weather is too cold to sleep outside, he opts for a rather pathetic, fetus position on the fold down dinette.

My wife and I are getting use to the tight fit and lack of head room in our C22 v berth, that the rear berth of the C250 would be great for us.

Has anyone tried to modify the dinette of the C250 to turn the two settees into a large sleeping area? The book "Handbook of Trailer Sailing" (ISBN 0070089817) has a really cool idea for converting the cockpit into a large berth, and I was thinking I might be able to do something similar with the dinette area of a C250.

Jason Wyatt
Aegir's Wind #1535 C22 sk
Roseville, Ca

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MarkTM
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Response Posted - 03/26/2002 : 16:50:49

Jason,

I'm 6'3" and I do ok in the v-berth. I sleep head to bow, feet to stern. My feet may hang off onto the small (permanent) cabin table but that is better than the alternative. My wife is 5'4" and often sleeps curled up . . . she doesn't take up much room. Adding an extra foot or two to the v-berth by extending it somehow would be fine by me. However, I would not want to cover the entire cabin between the settees; practically the entire boat would be a bed (overkill unless you need to slep six adults aboard.

If given the choice, I prefer the aft berth because I can truly stretch out. All in all, the C250 is a VERY comfortable place to overnight for my family of three.

Mark Melchior
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acierno
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Response Posted - 03/26/2002 : 17:02:51

has anyone developed a modification to the c250wk table to make it drop down to the level of the berth and settees? the c320 has a table on a gas shock that does this, and the c250wk table looks like it would fit perfectly there, creating an extra three feet or so of length--enough to really be comfortable without using the entire length of the settee and making the whole boat a bed, as noted above

ron

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darkpup
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Response Posted - 03/26/2002 : 22:39:14

Actually, turning the whole front of the boat into a bed is exactly what I had in mind. If I'm not mistaken, there's a lip running around the inside of both settees. I'm not sure what I'd do with the table that is there now, but some plywood, epoxy, paint, and custom cushions would make a great place to lounge.

You could use bungie cord webbing to section off the bow for additional storage, use the new area between the settees as a large sleeping/lounging area, and use the space under the new berth for storage.

I know it might seem a bit out of the ordinary, but I regularly have 4 to 5 adults or teenagers camping out on my C22 at our local lake during the summers (Folsom Lake). The extra sleeping area would help out a lot, and if the changes weren't permanent, it could be a fun project.

Jason Wyatt
Aegir's Wind #1535 C22 sk
Roseville, Ca

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 03/27/2002 : 11:30:18

The VBerth has very adequate (if not abundant) space. Can sleep either direction. When I'm with a honey...I sleep as Mark...head to bow...and when my brother in law shares the V Berth on a cruise...we sleep feet to bow and run over a bit onto the setees. Lots of room with no need to consider difficult mods.

One consideration is that on the older W/B, the table is large. I have never used it on my boat. I cruise up to three weeks at a time and needed some table however but not the large table...also needed was additional ice chest. So, I made a box out of 1/4 inch plywood to accept a 22 qrt ice chest. This box is screwed to the top of the coffee table. I made a table top of 3/4 pine with nice rounded corners and screwed to the top of the ice chest. It's about 16 x 24 (I think). The ice chest and table top will lift out of the box for cleaning, though I can drain it in place as there is a cut out in the box on the spicket end.

This works excellent. Used for drinks, it is much easier to access than the ice chest in the galley. It puts the table top at just the right height and two, one on each side can eat at it in comfort, play games, etc. Just remember to get your drink out prior to playing dominoes...ha. Any one needing a pic...let me know and I will dig it out.

I don't like the aft berth well...other than it is much more comfortable in chop. The V berth in chop will throw you against the hull sides fairly quickly and I have on occassion taken my bag to the cushions of the cockpit for relief. Other advantages of the V berth is that its much better ventilated and very easy to adjust the ventilation during the night. Its easier to get in and out of.

I keep storage boxes (pantry, spares, etc because I cruise) in the aft berth having removed the port cushion. This leaves a quarter berth. Setup this way, three can cruise very comfortable on the c250. Have done it for two weeks and never felt cramped...all three were disciplined with their geer (a must on a small boat). I also don't carry the v berth seat back...have never used it on the boat.

Arlyn C-250 W/B #224

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jkey6
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Response Posted - 03/27/2002 : 22:36:59

My Wife and I usually sleep in the rear berth and our 2 sons sleep in the v berth.

With friends along, I have slept in the v - berth also, no problem.

We had a C22 prior to the C250, and I can tell you the C250 has a larger v berth. Headroom in my rear berth (C250 WK) is fine.

Happy sailing,

JKEY on "All Keyed Up" C250WK 447

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darkpup
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Response Posted - 03/28/2002 : 18:50:25

JKEY,

The headroom on the rear berth of the C250 was never really a concern of mine. However, it is nice to see the different perspective people have with their boats.

Their is basically 12 inches of headroom in the vberth of my C22. The first time I stepped on the C250, I was in awe when my 6'4" buddy, with his body athwartship, rolled from stern to bow in the rear berth. His shoulders when laying on his side are the greatest height of his body when rolling backwards and forwards in the berth, and they never came close to touching the bottom of the cockpit.

Since he can't even fit in the v berth of our C22, I never assumed there would be a headroom issue of the rear berth on the C250.

I know that it's all a matter of opinion, but I can't wait to see what size boat I'll be looking at when I grow tired of the headroom in the rear berth of my future C250.

Should be fun.

Thanks everyone for your information on the C250 v berth. I'm 90% sold on a C250, and will be in the market for one in a year or so.

Jason Wyatt
Aegir's Wind #1535 C22 sk
Roseville, Ca

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Response Posted - 03/30/2002 : 18:46:59

Jason (AKA Darkpup),
Did you get the e-mail that I sent you last week ? I invited you to sail on my C250 @ lake Berryessa at some convenient time. I didn't get a response so I thought maybe that E-mail address was no longer in service. Please let me know if your interested, and also let me know if your not interested, and I'll leave you alone. I would assume that you sail your c22 on folsom, since you live in roseville. I have sailed on folsom some, and even took lessons there years ago when I had my c22.
Gclarke@crcindustries.com
or call mee @ 707-449-0468

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ssteakley
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Response Posted - 04/16/2002 : 00:20:42

My wife and I love our 250wk because of its interior space and great sailing. It is a totally different boat from a 22' or a Catalina 25'.
Catalina 25' owners immediately begin to apply there experience to the 250 and it just is not the same animal!. Ny wife is 5'4" and I am 6'-0" and we sleep either in the v-berth or the aft berth depending on the time of year, When it is spring and the air is cool we enjoy the breeze coming throught he forward hatch and sleep forward, in the winter and summer we sleep in the aft berth due to a portable AC unit in the Forward hatch. It is the perfect boat as far as we are concerned for a lake environment and short 2-1week stays aboard.
StevE Steakley
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