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gettin an Ullman anchor riding sail

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Gloss
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Initially Posted - 03/21/2005 : 21:12:25

Hi there,
I checked out all of our archives, and even the archives of the Catalina 36 association and I decided that I wanted a riding sail. Last year at anchor in the Keys in 20 knot winds my boat swung all over the place, and at one time broke the anchor free. Not good.
So I checked on prices on an anchor riding sail. I have a new main on order from Gary Swenson so I sent him an E-mail. He responded right away and said he would make me one for 85 bucks. Sold. I'm not sure if that great price is because I already have an Ullman headsail, and a new main coming, or what. But he will make it in the next few days and send it with my order. The next cheapest price was a sailrite kit for about a hundred, but that's a non starter for me. I'm not gonna sew, I even take my clothes to the cleaners to have a button put on. Sail Warehouse wanted 165 bucks
WOOHOO

Frank Gloss
Formerly 89WK/TR
85 Ericson 32-3 shoal draft "Molto Bene"

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Charlie Vick
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Response Posted - 03/21/2005 : 22:13:42

I don't know if it would work for a riding sail or not but once after I'd blown out my main I rigged my storm jib(60%) up as the main. It only has a tack and clew brought up with the main halyard but it got me home.
I know a riding sail should be set farther aft but it may be worth a try if you have one (and at no cost).
Needless to say you would have to have your mainsheet and traveller secure but I don't see why it wouldn't have the same affect.

(edit) By the way congrats on the new main!
I bought a loose foot from Gary last spring and wondered how I ever sailed without it!
Like puttin a new set of high performance tires on a car, cept the sails last a lot longer!

Edited by - Charlie Vick on 03/21/2005 22:29:51

Stu Jackson C34
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Response Posted - 03/21/2005 : 23:08:02

I've noted this before, but don't remember the topic, so couldn't tell you where to search for it.

The Pardey's Cost Conscious Cruiser or Self Sufficient Sailor (they've written sooo many books) suggests this:

Rig a line from your anchor line (just before it reaches the waterline) with a rolling hitch and run it back to your midships cleat, jib winch or even aft cleat, as an adjustable line that you use to triangulate and to cock your boat constantly to one side of the wind. It keeps the boat off the wind and stops it hunting.

We've tried it and it works and costs nothing (already have the extra line required. Did on our C25 and now on our C34.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 03/22/2005 : 08:45:25

Stu... I think that cocking to one side to hold the boat to one side is a reasonable approach for some areas of the country... I'm not sure its the right answer for those areas subject to thunder storms.

Needed is a method to prevent the boat from climbing high on a tack during possible very high straight line winds of a thunder head and precocking the boat as you described actually sets the boat up to be driven high on a tack placing great loads on the ground tackle.

I've used an anchor rode bridle in conjunction with a riding sail and achieved good results. The riding sail provided about 40% reduction in hunting, and the anchor bridle another 40%. Both of these try to leverage the bow onto the wind. It is not hunting that is bothersome, it is when the hunt takes the boat far enough out and a tack at the end of a hunt places the beam to the swell, rolling the boat. If the hunt can be reduced, the tack is not enough to place the beam on the swell.

Frank, as well as the Pardeys trick, I suggest putting in your arsenal of tricks, a sketch of how to make a single bowline in a bight in the anchor rode. The bridle will force the anchor rode to always load the leeward side, thereby leveraging the boat back on the wind. If your riding sail doesn't fully do what is needed, then add the bridle and see what you think... worked for me.

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