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new full batten main sail arrived. need help

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77Gypsy
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Initially Posted - 04/27/2005 : 15:46:05

i'm unclear on how to insert the battens, there are velcro tabs extending off the clew and am not sure what to do with them.

Steve
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Bill Sloane
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Response Posted - 04/27/2005 : 16:01:58

Steve,

I just bought a new fully battened main also. There is a short stick that comes with the battens that is about 18" long that is called "Mr. Stuffy", at least by my sailmaker. Insert the batten into the pocket and then put Mr. Stuffy into the loop on your velcro that should be there and insert Mr. Stuffy into the pocket and push velcro and batten in as far as they go, ie stuff it in there. Take out Mr. Stuffy and go to the next batten.

Bill

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matsche
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Response Posted - 04/27/2005 : 16:06:49

Steve:

Insert the batten in the pocket far enough that it "clicks" into place.

Wrap the velcro strap around the end of the batten and insert it into the pocket along side the batten. There should be a special "tool" that was included. The tool looks like a mini-batten, about a foot or so long. The small end of the tool fits into the "head" of the strap and will help you to push it deep into the batten pocket. There's a strip of velcro inside the batten pocket that will match up with the velcro on the strap. That holds the strap in place and thus holds the batten in also.

If I remember right, there's a small black ribbon on the head of the strap. Let that hang out so that when you need to remove the strap, you can simply pull on the ribbon and the strap velcro will detach and come out.

It's easier then it sounds.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/28/2005 : 10:09:02

Steve,

I can't relate to what Bill and Matche are referring to but on my Ullman sail the batten is inserted and the velcro straps merely secure it in place when they are folded over the batten pocket. No "stuffing" to it.

Val on Calista # 3936

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/28/2005 : 11:30:57

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tinob
 Steve,

I can't relate to what Bill and Matche are referring to but on my Ullman sail the batten is inserted and the velcro straps merely secure it in place when they are folded over the batten pocket. No "stuffing" to it.

Val on Calista # 3936
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My Ullman has stuffed velcro just as the others have described. It came with the stuffing stick... AND INSTRUCTIONS!

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/28/2005 : 14:50:46

Must be more than one Ullman full battened main. My sail is about four/five seasons old. To insert the batten you lift a velcro strap(about 10 inches long)exposing the pocket, place the batten in and fold the strap back down. The strap is several layers of fabric capped with velcro, approximately 3/16" thick. It was never intended to be used in any way other than as a velcroed flap to close and contain the batten. Obviously Ullman has concocted a newer different design to secure the batten.

Val on Calista # 3936

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 04/28/2005 : 15:32:49

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tinob
 Must be more than one Ullman full battened main. My sail is about four/five seasons old. To insert the batten you lift a velcro strap(about 10 inches long)exposing the pocket, place the batten in and fold the strap back down. The strap is several layers of fabric capped with velcro, approximately 3/16" thick. It was never intended to be used in any way other than as a velcroed flap to close and contain the batten. Obviously Ullman has concocted a newer different design to secure the batten.

Val on Calista # 3936
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Mine was bought August of 03, sounds like he adopted the pocket method between our sails.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 04/28/2005 : 17:00:27

How about going to your marina and asking a veteran sailor for help?

Brooke

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 04/28/2005 : 19:39:34

> "How about going to your marina and asking a veteran sailor for help?"

Better yet, send me that new mainsail and I'll break it in properly for a couple seasons. The sail will be a lot more flexible after I complete the break-in period and the battens will go in and out of the pockets easily. Best feature of of all is that I offer this sail break-in service for free.

All you pay is shipping. ;>)

P.S. I will also offer this service for new outboard motors.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/28/2005 : 22:30:04

Sobstad (now Sobstad Elvestrom) has been using this type of batten closure for a number of years now. One thing you want to make sure of is that the cord attached to the velcro hangs out of the sail - almost like a built in telltale. If it gets caught inside the slot, especially if it is caught between the layers of velcro, your going to have a fun time next fall pulling them back out.

dw

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tinob
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Response Posted - 04/29/2005 : 10:00:00

Duane, What you are describing sounds like a permanent installation.

Val on Calista # 3936

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takokichi
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Response Posted - 04/29/2005 : 10:10:49

If you get the cord trapped inside the pocket you need only use the batten tool as a knife to release the vecro inside the pocket to open it back up - I know this b/c the cords on my Doyle main broke . . .

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Charlie Vick
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Response Posted - 04/29/2005 : 10:20:09

I bought my Ullman main back last spring and I believe the battens we're held by stuffing the velcro also. I haven't had them out since it was new so I really can't say for sure (jeez ya know it was a year ago!) but I do remember the stuffing stick.

One thing I do remember is getting fiberglass splinters from handling the battens. After getting a few of those I went to heavy leather gloves.
Something to look out for.

If you're still in doubt about the velcro call Gary Swensen at Ullman, I'm sure he'd be glad to help.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/29/2005 : 15:03:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by takokichi
 If you get the cord trapped inside the pocket you need only use the batten tool as a knife to release the vecro inside the pocket to open it back up - I know this b/c the cords on my Doyle main broke . . .

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True, but it still isn't the friendliest of retrievals

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