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coldducks
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Initially Posted - 05/05/2005 :  22:32:33  Show Profile
i was at the marina the other day, when i spotted a square umbrella type thing hanging over the front hatch of a boat. i dont know what it is called, but it looked like something that i would like to have for those rainy days spent aboard. i had seen them at the boat store for about $50.00. i went to my local fabric store and asked about waterproof fabric. for $15.00 and about an hours work, i made one. an easy job for very little money.
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  10:19:59  Show Profile
Hi there,

This sounds like a pretty cool idea to me, but I don't think I've ever seen one. How does it attach to the boat? Does it have a frame, or is it more like a tarp? 'Got any photos?

Thanks!
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coldducks
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  12:06:51  Show Profile
hi,
it is four triangles sewn together. with a loop at the top.and loops at each of the 4 corners. it attaches to the spare halyard to hold it over the hatch at whatever height you want. and the four corners are attached with bungie cords. there is no frame so it folds up flat when you are not using it. i am not able to post any pictures, but it looks like a square umbrella.
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  13:35:01  Show Profile
<font color="blue">... and the four corners are attached with bungie cords ...</font id="blue">
Are the bungie cords attached to stanchions, lifelines, or something else?

Since the "umbrella" is made of four traingles, does it look like a four-sided pyramid when it is installed? If so, does it have a steep pitch, or is it more shallow? 'Sorry to be so dense, but I'm having a hard time visualizing it.

I like to use an "Airscoop" in the front hatch to help move air through the boat when in the slip, or at anchor. I'm wondering if I might be able to put a loop inside the point of the "umbrella" and use the air scoop at the same time ... that would let the breeze through, but keep out rain.

Thanks for the help!
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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  13:59:43  Show Profile
Buzz,

If I am understanding COLDDUCKS correctly, he is talking about one of these:

http://shop.catalinaowners.com/detail.tpl?cart=1115488607635874&fno=20&group=227
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coldducks
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  14:16:28  Show Profile
no problem, if i hadnt seen one i would not have had a clue. yes, it looks like a four sided pyramid when it is up. (have you ever seen those umbrella hats that you find at fairs?) i climbed on his boat with my tape measure in hand. the bottom of each triangle is 42" and the height from the middle of each triangle to the top is 28". what i did was buy the waterproof material and cut 4 equal pieces at 43" long (allowing i/2 inch seam on each side) and 29" high. (sort of a rectangle). then i found the middle of the piece lenghtwise and folded the sides in to make a triangle (42 x 28). cut off what i didnt need on the sides that i folded in,leaving i/2 inch for the seams, and sewed them together, adding the loops to the top and the corners as i went. this guy has his attached with bungies to the side rail of his boat, but it is not a catalina and has small holes all along the side rails of his boat. i am attaching mine to the life line and adjust them for taughtness as needed. i hope this cleared it up a little. i am just finishing a companionwas screen. i will post it when, and if it works out.
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coldducks
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  14:51:58  Show Profile
rick, that is exactly what i am talking about. i made mine for about $15.00...thanks
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  15:36:00  Show Profile
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by coldducks</i>
<br />rick, that is exactly what i am talking about. i made mine for about $15.00...thanks
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Thanks y'all! That "umbrella" looks like it has a lot of potential ... I might even be able to continue to use the "Airscoop" underneath it, if I make the umbrella in the right shape and size ... we'll see.

BTW "Coldducks" (you'd think I'd know your first name after you've made over 200 posts, but I don't ... 'sorry! ), you said you bought waterproof material, but you didn't mention what kind ... since you didn't mention "Sunbrella," I'm wondering if you used something else ...

I like the way this thing looks ... I'm really giving serious consideration to making one ... thanks for the help!
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  17:23:41  Show Profile
Buzz, Do you have to lay the front hatch all the way back to use the Air Scoop?
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  17:34:32  Show Profile
<font color="blue">Buzz, Do you have to lay the front hatch all the way back to use the Air Scoop? - Tom</font id="blue">

The short answer to that is "yes."

I suppose the hatch doesn't have to be completely open, but it can't be closed very much, or the Air Scoop won't funnel as much air into the boat.

'Hope that makes sense ... why do you ask?
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  18:32:27  Show Profile
The hatch support on the 250 will not allow the hatch to go vertical with out separating. You have to completely undo the hatch support and lay the hatch back to use it on the 250, I was wondering if the 25 was the same way.
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coldducks
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Response Posted - 05/07/2005 :  23:00:26  Show Profile
hi buzz,
my first name is lanie, and it is nice to meet you. and i am only the first mate!!! it is not sunbrella, it is something called STOP CLOTH, it is used for tent flaps and jackets and it is a waterproof fabric. it so easy to cut and it doesn't fray, so a second seam is not necessary, though i did a second seam. it is uv protected. it is 6.99 a yard and you need 2 1/2 yards. have fun making it....stay tuned to my for my companion way screen!!!
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frog0911
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Response Posted - 05/08/2005 :  12:01:38  Show Profile
Love the ideas found on this forum. Lanie, keep them coming. Buzz as for the wind scoop, I saw an article in one of my old sailing mag's. that shows the wind scoop attached outside the hatch so you could close it if it rains or have a bug proplem without having to remove the scoop. Have to find it and see if I can figure out how to post it.
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fredflemming
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Response Posted - 05/09/2005 :  13:09:54  Show Profile
My windscoop fits over the hatchcover standing upright. There is no need to lay the hatch back to the deck. The two bottom front corners of the scoop are attached to a long dowel that you place cross-wise in the hatch (dowel below decks). The lower back part of the scoop can be in front of the hatch or behind it. It makes more sense to put it behind the hatch so that the hatch can be closed quickly in case of rain.

I like the rain umbrella idea and I'm passing it to the commodore to see if she can make one .
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