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How would a C25 be in the Mediterranean?

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almoniyot
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Initially Posted - 05/26/2005 : 01:26:39

Moving to Israel soon and given the climate am going to purchase a sailboat. A friend of mine has a C25 that I am very fond of, but we are used to sailing in the Long Island Sound. How would a boat like the C25 be in the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Israel?

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Dave Laux
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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 06:52:37

Rare. Dave

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 07:16:43

You are more likely to find the British version called the Jaguar. Jaguars do not have pop-tops as the Atlantic and Channel weather make them seam less seaworthy. They have a slightly taller sea-hood for head room. I would think that a pop-top in that heat would be nice. The world is so accustomed to shipping cars, I would think a Catalina on a trailer would ship as two cars at a cost equal to the cost of the boat. That is probably an OK deal. (boats seem to be expensive in Europe) You could probably sell it at a profit when you left. I would go, figure things out and have your friend ship you one if you decide that is the thing to do.
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drttu
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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 07:38:24

Just got back from a business trip to Tel Aviv and I walked around the marina one day and saw several Catalina 25s, or something very close as I could not get next to the boats in the slips. There were not very many but a few.

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almoniyot
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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 11:21:39

I did notice from searching online that boats seemed quite a bit more expensive in Europe and Israel. I considered buying one in Greece/Turkey/Cyprus which is not that far from Israel, but after looking at the prices I think it may be cheaper to ship one from the US believe it or not.

My question was more about the performance of the C25 in ocean waters, which are likely quite a bit more rough that what I am used to sailing on.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 11:32:45

I take whatever the Pacific Ocean has to dish out in my C25. It can handle it. I can usually handle it! I know the Med sometimes has winds over 40 and steep, square-faced breaking waves. You would want to be in port for that. Otherwise, the C25 should be up to it.

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PZell
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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 11:39:19

You will need to study up on laws and regulations regarding a boat from out of the country there. You may not be able to keep it there long without paying
the VAT (value added taxes).

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almoniyot
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Response Posted - 05/26/2005 : 11:50:43

Yes unfortunately I would have to pay the 17% VAT there on any boat I buy, whether or not I ship it from abroad.

Thanks so much for the helpful responses.

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deastburn
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Response Posted - 05/27/2005 : 00:18:12

The Mediterranean is a VERY big sea and, as others have said, can get quite unruly. IMHO the problem one might encounter there with a C25 is that the weather can change very quickly in this landlocked "ocean", especially in the Eastern Med where the land overheats in the desert sun and draws howling afternoon winds in off the sea. This is apt to be more true in the Spring. Summer in the Med (from my experience in France) is relatively calm and light air, with the very occasional fronts coming through (most of the fronts in France tend to be political). I know of people who shipped a boat to France, but could only keep it there for less than a year without having to pay duties and taxes. Last summer, when I was somewhat trying to sell my C25, an Irishman was one of the potential buyers, seeking a boat he could bring back to Ireland. Now a C25 in the Irish Sea--that would be an adveture.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 05/28/2005 : 10:33:11

I see that once again, high taxes stifles commerce.

So then, how does this tax situation affect european boats selling in the US? ie, boats made in Sweden, Germany etc?

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deastburn
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Response Posted - 05/28/2005 : 22:52:36

I don't know about Sweden, but many French sailboats at present sell for less here in the US than in Europe (before you pay the taxes). To stay competitive, many European companies have swallowed a lot of the dollar decline against the Euro (about 40% in the last three years). In France, the VAT (Value Added Tax--the European sales tax) on a sailboat and most luxury items is 19%. So a new $100K sailboat actually costs about $120K. Used boats in Europe seem to sell for 20% to 40% more than in the US.

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