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exsniper
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Initially Posted - 04/17/2002 : 14:41:12

We are considering installing either the Harken lazy jack system, the E-Z-JAX system or SailNet EZ-Douse system on our Cat 25.
We are interested in cruising and racing.
Any experience or words of advice?

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 04/17/2002 : 15:25:39

I've been shopping this as well, and have concluded that the Sheaffer system is superior to the Harken. The Harken requires that the sailcover be modified: the Sheaffer has pull-back hooks that mount near the gooseneck. Once the sail is down and tied, you pull the jacks back to the boom and put the sail cover on without modification.

Brooke Willson

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jm
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Response Posted - 04/17/2002 : 15:56:35

the folks next door in Catalina 250 forum were talking about the Dutchman system - but Sailnet says if your main sail is somewhat tired, then use lazy jacks (cheaper)

http://images.sailnet.com/dutchman/

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/17/2002 : 17:16:02

Why pay some one for a system you can put together yourself for a few dollars. Lazy Jacks are in the Tech section. I put some on my boat two years ago for under 40$. They are great and realy help out when your single handing. Drop the sails and they bunch up on the top of the boom and not all over the coach roof. Another good line to have is a down haul on the jib. Rig the down haul so it folds the sail in half as it comes down.

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Rick Heaverly 86 C25 5382
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Response Posted - 04/18/2002 : 08:17:34

Douglas,

How do you rig the downhaul to fold the head sail in half?

Rick Heaverly

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EricCS
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Response Posted - 04/18/2002 : 09:51:28

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
We are considering installing either the Harken lazy jack system, the E-Z-JAX system or SailNet EZ-Douse system on our Cat 25.
We are interested in cruising and racing.
Any experience or words of advice?

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I put E-Z-Jax on Charm a couple of years ago and have been quite pleased with the results. I got the cockpit control version; a friend got the "line extension" option, but still has to go to the mast to deploy the jacks. For single-handing the cockpit control together with the lazy jack benefit is second only to a self-steering system.

Although I have no racing experience, the way E-Z-Jax retract to the gooseneck seems to be ideal; no chafe nor obstruction to sail shape.

HTH

Eric Spitzner, AP (eric@snet.net)
Catalina 25 #4445 "Charm"
41°16.18'N 72°54.03'W

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jandrus
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Response Posted - 04/18/2002 : 11:29:50

I would not pay one of the rigging companys the premium to have them assemble the lazy jack kit.

I built my own last season for about $40. Now I consider them essential. Mine are even self adjusting. I put two cheek blocks a couple of feet above the spreaders. two lines run from clam cleats on the mast at working level through the blocks. those lines terminate with splices to small bullet blocks.

Then I put a single eyestrap on the bottom of the boom about two thirds of its length aft. a continutous line runs through that eye strap up through one bullet block, under the boom and through the second bullet block, then back to the eye strap.

That's it. With the jacks deployed I can still use my sail cover with no modifications. To stow them I slack one of the clam cleats and pull the whole thing aft and around the reefing hook - though to tell you the truth I never stow them.

Justin

c25 #1942 s/v tako kichi

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/18/2002 : 18:28:12

Jib downhaul set up to fold sail in half. Line goes forward to pulley on the bow. Line goes through eye of first hank. Line goes from first hank to jib sheet clew. Line goes through the clew and up at 45 degree angle to another hank. Line then goes up the luff / leading edge to and through every other hank and terminates at the top hank. Releasing the jib outhaul and rounding up into the wind pull the down haul causing the clew to fold forward and sail to fold up on top of same as it comes down to the deck.

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PZell
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Response Posted - 04/18/2002 : 23:25:53

Admiral,

That's and admiral idea - folding the jib as you pull the
downhaul. Questions tho: When hauling on downhaul do you
experience quite a bit of friction? Gotta pull kinda hard?
and Do you experience any problem with sail shape from the
line leading out to the clew? It is an interesting idea, think
I'll try that out as soon as I'm allowed to go sailing again.
Just got disected and waiting to heal up.

Paul Cat25FK 79 Sparky

PZ

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/18/2002 : 23:59:50

It works good. Heading up into the wind causes the sail to slat and shake. This helps the downhaul to not hang up. Pull with moderate pressure not hard or it will catch and hang up. If you experiance to much friction try using a ring at each location like a key ring but larger diamiter. When sailing no tention is on the line its way loose and isn't a problem. If you use a larger head sail omit the route to the clew and only go up the luff and hanks. Douse the head sail this way by heading up, use the down haul and head sail sheet together to keep the sail on deck.

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Bruce Baker
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Response Posted - 04/22/2002 : 15:31:20

I've got a brand new set of lazy jacks, in the box, that came with my boat. I'll let them go for 50% off list--whatever that is.

Bruce Baker
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/22/2002 : 16:27:53

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I've got a brand new set of lazy jacks, in the box, that came with my boat. I'll let them go for 50% off list--whatever that is.

Bruce Baker
"Yee Ha!"
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Well, according to the Kelley Green book on sailboat parts and accessories. (Not to be confused with the red book which is boats, sail, commercial, power and other) The retail value of a set of EZ jacks in New condition, is $18.00. <s>Unfortunately, they lost most of their value when you drove them off the lot</s>...err I mean when you took them off the shelf. Unfortunately it sounds like you have opened the package too so their value declines to about 10 bucks. So half of that would be $5 <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. What I have seen people do, and don't tell anybody I told you this because its illegal, is take the blocks that come with the set and roll them back a couple of hundred revolutions each. The internal odometer will click backward and increase there value

Edited by - Duane Wolff on 04/22/2002 16:29:59

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 04/22/2002 : 16:44:53

Duane - did you once sell used cars by any chance?
(It's known as a "fountain-of-youth" treatment in the car business)<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/23/2002 : 08:34:50

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Duane - did you once sell used cars by any chance?
(It's known as a "fountain-of-youth" treatment in the car business)<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
Derek
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No just looking to buy a car now, mine is on its last legs

Duane Wolff
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 04/23/2002 : 14:11:11

Duane, hoping for a real bargain on that car huh?<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Lazy jack kits are about $125.00 to $175.00 new. Not $18.00.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/23/2002 : 15:10:55

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Duane, hoping for a real bargain on that car huh?<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Lazy jack kits are about $125.00 to $175.00 new. Not $18.00.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290
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Well of course John, but that It was meant to be a Joke....

Duane Wolff
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