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osmepneo
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Initially Posted - 07/09/2005 : 22:05:33

The 2005 Nationals are currecntly being conducted on Lake Cheney outside of Wichita, Kansas. While I was preparing for the trip, people asked about two things:

1. Where is their sailing water in Kansas?
2. Do they have wind?

Let me tell you Kansas has wind! Last we a great regatta in Portland Oregon, on the Columbia River, and this we are having a great regatta on Leke Cheney. Winds today, for the first three races were in the neighborhood of 18-20, and that's alot of wind for a two man boat. It's alot of wind for a three man crew, and for a 4 man crew.

Frank and Fleet 43 are doing a great job with the regatta, and are to be commended.

Three of your Association officers are on site (Frank Hopper, JB Manley and Moi) and we have nine boats racing - approxiamately half of them trailed from other areas.

More later, sometime after the regatta is over. Then I'll share results, if someone doesn't beat me to it, and I'll announce the site of 2006 Nationals.

Don Peet, C25/250 2004-2005 National Association Commodore
The Great Sacandaga Lake, NY

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 07/11/2005 : 00:13:39

Just back (literally) from Wichita, and can't believe Don beat me to the punch. :-) All I was going to say was "WOW!", anyway. Absolutely incredible racing, wind, people and good times. I'll let others fill in the details, but next year's host has mighty big shoes to fill.

Thanks Wichita!

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coach
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Response Posted - 07/11/2005 : 01:04:33

So, WHO WON? and where did everyone place?

Wish I could have made the trip!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/11/2005 : 09:02:31

I won, I wanted the wonderful people of my club to meet some of the wonderful people of this forum and that is exactly what happened.
As for the racing results:

Our friend and constant forum supporter Derek Crawford manhandled his tall rig in high winds on Saturday to ensure that he would take the Tall rig trophy home an Sunday... with five tall rig bullets.
Local John Stansfield 2nd place
Local Steve Perry 3rd place

We have a lurker on this forum named Gary Sheppard who took third in his San Juan 21 nationals at our lake two weeks ago and came back to shoot five bullets in the standard rig division.
Steve Meyer of Oklahoma City Boat Club, OK, 2nd place.
Bill Minert of South East Bay Yacht Club, In, 3rd place.

In the over all Champion scoring:
Gary Sheppard 1 1 1 1 1
Steve Meyer 2 2 2 2 3
Derek Crawford 3 3 3 3 2

P.S. There are no Catalina 250 results because there were no Catalina 250s registered.

P.S.S. I will post more pictures later from the awards ceremony and on the water, but one of the picts I can post now is of me receiving the "I Got My Butt Wiped" trophy for Standard rig last place. It is a toilet paper holder, with a magazine slot.

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SJ
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Response Posted - 07/11/2005 : 10:52:03

Frank, Are you going to post all the results??? I too wish I could have come, but LI is a bit to far away. Especialy without a trailer! Glad to hear that you all had a blast.

SJ

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John G-
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Response Posted - 07/11/2005 : 14:36:30

Congratulations to Frank Hopper, Fleet #95 and all the participants.
Great trophy Frank, I’m sure you will remember the regatta every day

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To everyone who participated, while it is still fresh in all your minds please jot down your personal impressions and fondest memories of the regatta. I would like to do a compilation of all the best moments by the participants for the November issue of the [url="http://www.mainsheet.net/"] Mainsheet Magazine [/url].

Underlined words are a HOT link.

[url="jg949@hotmail.com"]John Gisondi[/url]
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Send articles without formatting (centering, bullet points, bold, italics etc.) to;
jg949@hotmail.com

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 07/12/2005 : 19:17:48

Well I finally got back from Frank and Martha's place after 14 hours of sitting around in airports thanks to Dennis, but I would not have missed it.
My thanks to Frank, Martha and the entire membership of the Ninnescah Yacht Club for their efforts in making us all welcome and providing such a great venue for the Nationals. It is great to watch professionals at work. WELL DONE FRANK AND MARTHA. I will not forget the fun times and the fine people of the NYC.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/12/2005 : 21:53:14

Speaking of Jerry, here he is at the Captain's table...

Frank, Martha and the PRO; ready for morning...

And it begins; how many boats on the line?...

More than it appeared; first leg...

Kansas Twister crosses ahead of Turtle Herd. its on...

Wind and 155...

Longwind pursuing This Side Up...

Le Coquille (The Duck Foot I think.), driving hard.

When you finish at the front you get to watch the rear...

The beer party Saturday nite...

Day two, marginal wind, tougher to time the start...

Class racing; to the gybe mark...

Luck and Love ahead of Semper Fi

My new ride...

It was a lot less strenuous than the day before...

The Overall Award to Gary Shepard of Kansas Twister and to his crew...

More pictures of more people after I get digital copies from other attendee's cameras.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 07/13/2005 : 08:49:16

Excellent!

The racing looks awesome!

Good job!

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 07/13/2005 : 09:26:31

Nice....looks like you all had fun, congratulations.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/13/2005 : 10:47:07

I thought, according to class rules, all body parts had to be inside the lifelines?

Great photos, great event. Wow, thats a windy lake! How 'bout them all them mylar sails?

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/13/2005 : 11:35:26

"I thought, according to class rules, all body parts had to be inside the lifelines?"
Not quite Jim - your legs can be outside the lifelines but your torso must remain inside "unless you are engaged in a temporary task".
There did seem to be the occasional violation of this during the Regatta - but, considering the high wind on Saturday nobody threw a red flag!
Derek

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 07/13/2005 : 11:49:44

For some reason, my computer is not loading all of the photos. I get bits and pieces. Is this just an "Old Mac" problem? I would love to see a photo of Frank's old boat, Fellowship, flying a 685. So far, I see none. Course we were back in the pack. For those who don't know, we borrowed a boat on Lake Cheney and flew out from Portland to race. Competition was TOUGH!

I would like to see any photos to see how out of shape my used mylar headsail was.....and/or whether the 135 dacron was setting any better. Hope to see any available photos before TOO long.

Gary B.
s/v Encore! #685

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/13/2005 : 21:22:35

Jim,

That is a rule that is routinely pushed to the limit.

here is the actual verbage from RRS 05-08:

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">49.2 When lifelines are required by the class rules or the sailing
instructions they shall be taut, and competitors shall not position
any part of their torsos outside them, except briefly to perform a
necessary task. On boats equipped with upper and lower lifelines of
wire, a competitor sitting on the deck facing outboard with his waist
inside the lower lifeline may have the upper part of his body outside
the upper lifeline<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The word "briefly" for a necessary task depends on the task. For example if a boat is executing a windward spinaker takedown, a person, usually mast support or bowman, holds the guy out acting as the pole for as long as it takes for the maneuver to be executed. If your trimming the spin in light air, its often you'll see the trimmer well outside the lifeline, pushing the letter of the law to the limit. Each time they sheet the spin they are performing a necessary task.

Photo 1- pushing the hiking limits to the rules. These guys have their torso inside the lower of 2 lifelines. (I've never seen this particular type of thing challenged, which btw is a violation of lifeline tautness; not hiking...)

Pic two: Most likely a necessary Task

I had an excellent pic of Tsunami doing a windward takedown at Key West for a third example, but can't find it anywhere...

It looks like you all had a really great time. I can't wait for next year.

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Response Posted - 07/14/2005 : 00:03:20

Wow! Those boats were heeling! I love to heel! Heeling is good!

Who cares about speed, I want to see my windows in the water!

Looks like the races were a great time, sure wish I could have made it out to Kansas.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/16/2005 : 09:50:22

More Picts

Another good start

Roundings...

Off the the gybe mark again

Have you seen my new ride?

Bill worked hard for this trophy, the local boys and the boat from OKC were very strong.

Bill also received the traveling trophy. JB Manley is in the corner.

Our Commodore

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 07/16/2005 10:02:49

Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 07/16/2005 : 10:04:56

What an incredible series of pictures, especially "Off the gybe mark again".

I'm jealous Frank. I don't have a single picture of Antares under sail, and you have a masterpiece. Beautiful photo!

[Mr. Manley's looking a little constipated; must be contemplating the tally.] ;-)

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 07/21/2005 : 15:07:16

IF and when a CD of photos becomes available, I am in line.
Lemme know.....

Gary B.
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/21/2005 : 17:40:50

I'd like a CD too!
How about posting a pic of the winners of the Tall Rig trophy...

Derek

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 01:45:29

I don't have any!!! I am waiting on picts from the Peets, I hope you are in there. After I get them I will burn the cd. One thing that has gone unsaid... the crews that showed up with the skippers were an amazing group of people. We are all very lucky people.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 11:48:33

Here you go, Frank

From left to right: Tim Voyt (foredeck), little ole me (steerer),Judy Ayres (cabin & gps), JD Dukes (genoa trimmer)
Derek

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 16:40:33

Thanks, who took that? are there more? Please send them to me and I will add them to the CD.
The shirts will be done on Tuesday.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/23/2005 : 14:00:26

I moved this from another thread where it flowed but had nothing to do with the subject...

Thanks for the kind words. Without this turning into a mutual admiration society I would like to say a couple of things to the traveling skippers.

Gary and crew; I am so sorry that I could not spend more time with you. The photo Derek sent last night of you all talking at the cabins, sharing a few beers, really drove home how much I missed by managing the regatta and having my own out of town guests. I doubt I will ever get the chance to hang with you guys again, I regret that a lot.

Derek and Judy hosted Martha and I last year for a sail on their wonderful lake. I was over committed then and missed out on a yacht Club party and was over committed here and missed out on spending quality time with you. Your crew were two of the nicest men I have met in a long time. You are blessed to have such loyalty. I am sure that we will see you again in San Antonio next year so I will make sure we have a clear plate when that happens.

Bill, what an interesting character you are. And what a wonderful family! I am really glad I got to visit with the girls at the Thursday evening dinner. You are a lucky guy. I am also certain that you are one hell of a sailor. As I mentioned on another thread, I have never bought into this jive about the swinger being as fast as a fin. You however are one of the sources of the corrupted data that generates the conclusion. You sail the hell out of your swinger and many of us could learn a lot from you. I hope you had a good time, I know Jerry M. and Frank C. were lucky to crew for you.

Steve Meyer, if you are lurking... you guys rode into town like the Daltons ready to rob the Coffeyville bank. Quantum sails, VC-17 on a bottom that looked like glass; there was no doubt that you were contenders. Congratulations on a well run program. Lake Hephner obviously has a high level of competition. I am counting on you guys coming up again, OKC is too close for you not to return for one of our regattas.

Everyone has the right to be very proud of the way this regatta was sailed. No protests, no complaints, everyone true Corinthians in spirit and deed. I was discouraged by the low registration until the regatta got under way. The nine boats sailing on a single start was a very comfortable number and I promise that there is no one who did not attend who could have beaten those that did attend. Our national champions are the rightful champions and the defense of the titles next year will prove that out.

Nagging issue; 250s. What a shame. The most trailerable boat in the association and yet not a single owner wanted to participate. Not a single post in response to a personal invitation on the 250 forum, not a single inquiry from the 35 clubs that received e-mails from me about the event. There have been complaints about the scoring of the boats as a reason not to participate in the nationals; I personally think that misses the point of OUR nationals. I hope that some will register for the 2006 regatta. I am sure that Duane will work with anyone who is unhappy with the current PHRF status of the boats. Just remember, there is poor data on these boats because no one is racing them, if you want to fix that then get on the starting line.

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/24/2005 : 17:45:10

Thanks Frank for your comments. You and your committee had a lot to do with the Regatta being such a successful and enjoyable event.
Take another bow!

Derek

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Benge
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Response Posted - 07/25/2005 : 02:42:51

I am new to the c-25 and I am in need of new sails. I am going to race and I want to know about the mylar. Is it worth it. What size head sail and weight would you suggest. I can not afford more than one head sail to begin with? I live in Wyoming, High winds! Tell me the brand of sail you suggest. Where do those black mylar sails come from? Thanks.

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 07/25/2005 : 11:26:57

Hey Guys and Gals I need help! When I was at the races I met a sailor the came in I think with the Oklahoma Boat that races out of St Louis. He was talking about all the racing they do there on some lake. I ran out of time and didn't get his name and contact info. Does anyoner know who this was? If you could provide me this contact info I would sure appreciate it.

Bill Meinert

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