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Initially Posted - 07/14/2005 : 19:31:35

After posting Saturday night concerning 2005 Nationals, I had planned on getting back on line sooner than today to announce the site for the 2006 Nationals.

The officers sought bids and received a bid from Edgewater Yacht Club, Cleveland, Ohio to host 2006 Catalina 25-250 National Championships during Cleveland Race week. Association Chief Measurer, Duane Wolff, will be chairing the Catalinawind and an excellant championship series.

Duane will be posting details in the near future, but hope all the east coast c25-250 sailors who said they would like to sail in Nationals, will join us in Cleveland for 2006.

(I'd give y'awl dates, but I'm away from home and don't have the date at hand.)

Don Peet, C25/250 2004-2005 National Association Commodore
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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 07/14/2005 : 20:40:18

I sure hope that we can have some C250's (and maybe Capri's) there.
Derek

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Response Posted - 07/15/2005 : 10:24:40

Ninnescah will be there. Just remember, don't bring a knife to a gun fight!

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 07/15/2005 : 10:28:43

Can I get ther via canals?

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Response Posted - 07/15/2005 : 10:41:32

Posted - 07/15/2005 : 10:28:43
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Can I get ther via canals? 
If you can get to lake Champlain or the Hudson River, yes. Maybe we should plan a convoy?

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Response Posted - 07/15/2005 : 11:11:30

Thanks for the announcement Don.

As Don mentioned the 2006 Catalina 25-250 Nationals will be held during Cleveland Race Week during the Cruising Weekend (A.K.A. PHRF weekend). I don’t have the exact dates in front of me, but believe it to be June 25-28. The location will be Edgewater Yacht Club right in downtown Cleveland.

Since this regatta will be held within Cleveland Race Week we will have our own start with 6 or more boats – a number I am confident we will attain. Because of the design of the regatta, there is a distinct possibility that our fleet will ALSO be competing for an overall, course overall and or JAM overall championships. This is over and above our nationals.

We will also be sailing with a PHRF/JAM offset rating for any boats without a spinnaker. This offset will be a new thing for the Cleveland area as we will be the first known group to utilize this type of handicap. We will have more information on this as it becomes available.

There are tons of details to follow, including a notice of race, schedules, costs etc., parties, food, directions, SI’s and more. I will also be working with SPIKE to post the actual Bid that I submitted which contains tons of these details.

I Invite ALL of you to attend. Even if you don’t race, there is lots of sailing that can be done and new friends to make.

At this time, I ask that you not email me, but leave your questions here on this post. I’ll do my best to check this daily to get back to you. By doing it this way, the question you ask can be answered for both you and the 9 other individuals who were too shy to ask it themselves.

Here are some links of interest:

[url="http://www.eycweb.com"]Edgewater Yacht Club[/url]
[url="http://www.eycweb.com/crw2005/index.html"]Cleveland Race Week[/url]
[url="http://www.phrf-le.org/"]PHRF Lake Erie Homepage[/url]
[url="http://www.phrf-le.org/classrules.doc"]PHRF LE Rules doc[/url]

[url="http://www.lakeboats.com/2005CRW/2005CRWNOR.pdf"]2005 Notice of Race - (a 2006 version will be used in conjunction with our NOR) - This is for reference only[/url]

[url="www.clevsail.com"]Cleveland Sailing Association[/url]
Cleveland Race Week is actually part of a larger traveling regatta, put on by the Cleveland Sailing Association...

Again, I'll be posting more as soon as possible.

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 07/15/2005 : 11:39:44

Hey Guys, if possible please post the dates of the race. I have been there in the past and if you want hotel reservations you will have to make them very early!!!!!! You can definitively put me and my boat on the "I will be there list". After the superior winds of Kansas last week I just hope they will be ready for some pssible good seas if we get those kind of winds in Cleveland

, Im allready stoked and looking for a crew for next year, if anyone is interested, it is never to early to sign up.

Bill Meinert

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/15/2005 : 13:04:57

Bill---

June 22 or June 29th through the following Sunday. I will post as soon as I have the exact details.

Edited to adjust the date.

Edited by - Champipple on 07/19/2005 16:48:20

osmepneo
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Response Posted - 07/17/2005 : 17:35:03

Rick, have you seen the thread on the NY canal system. It sounds like an intersting add on to travel the canals to Buffalo and then sail to Cleveland. Can you get to Lake Champlain? I think that if you can do that you could go by water to Cleveland. We would love to have you and other Capri's with us next summer.

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Response Posted - 07/17/2005 : 18:34:42

What's a PHRF/JAM Offset? I've never heard of one of those...

Derek

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Response Posted - 07/18/2005 : 07:20:03

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Derek Crawford
 What's a PHRF/JAM Offset? I've never heard of one of those...

Derek
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The norm in most areas is to race PHRF and JAM separately. We are going to be using a rating that gives extra time to the JAM boats to make them competitive against the PHRF boats.

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Response Posted - 07/19/2005 : 12:12:56

As Don mentioned the 2006 Catalina 25-250 Nationals will be held during Cleveland Race Week during the Cruising Weekend (A.K.A. PHRF weekend). I don’t have the exact dates in front of me, but believe it to be June 25-28. The location will be Edgewater Yacht Club right in downtown Cleveland.

Looking at my calendar, it looks like the races will be Sunday - Thursday? is this correct? If so this may be an issue with the out of town sailors! I hope you are posting the dates 23-25 June to make it convient for us out of towners.

Bill Meinert

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/19/2005 : 15:15:18

Let me double check that Bill... I might have looked at the wrong years Calendar.

It will definitely be a long weekend -- Thursday through Sunday. It hinges on another race which has a flexible date so its either the 22nd or 29th of June through the following Sunday. Let me double check that and get back to you.

Edited by - Champipple on 07/19/2005 16:01:38

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Response Posted - 07/19/2005 : 16:40:18

First, the race will be held on a Thursday through a Sunday I not sure what Calendar I was originally looking at but it was definitely the wrong year. I must have scrolled ahead too far in Microsoft Outlook.

Now for the Race Dates: (This is the long version of TBD)

There is a race that traditionally was run at night (now it’s a day race), out to Canada around Pelee Island and back. In the old days I think it was around 100+ miles. Because it was a night race they ran it every year on the weekend closest to the summer solstice, thereby giving the sailors the most daylight possible. The organizers have since shortened the race and the crossing of the border due multitudes of reasons. They have though, kept the flexible date on the schedule and it remains as one of the weekends on either side of the solstice.

Because so many of the PHRF boats would race in that event, Cleveland Race Week One design would occur on that weekend and the PHRF Weekend would be immediately following so it would not conflict with the long race. Generally this is the 3rd week in June

PHRF weekend starts on the Thursday following One Design Weekend which coincides with the Robert’s Race which is the weekend closest to the summer solstice. This years Solstice is the 21st of June, 2006 which is a Wednesday. Pushing the Robert’s Race (the long one) back to the third week in June or sliding it forward to the

However, the commodores of both yacht clubs involved are setting the date over the course of the next few days. The strong push is to hold the regatta on the 22nd through the 25th. However that may change in the next few days.

As soon as I know, you’ll know.

dw

So the shorter version is the weekend starting Thursday the 22 or Thursday the 29th....

Edited by - Champipple on 07/19/2005 16:50:34

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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 16:22:15

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by wmeinert@kconline.com
 Hey Guys, if possible please post the dates of the race. I have been there in the past and if you want hotel reservations you will have to make them very early!!!!!! You can definitively put me and my boat on the "I will be there list". After the superior winds of Kansas last week I just hope they will be ready for some pssible good seas if we get those kind of winds in Cleveland

, Im allready stoked and looking for a crew for next year, if anyone is interested, it is never to early to sign up.

Bill Meinert
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Bill -

There are a ton of hotels within a 5 minute drive and another 40 within a 10 to 15 minute drive. As it gets a bit closer if anyone is looking for lodging, please feel free to contact me. I'll get you a hotel list.

dw

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Oscar
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 19:47:38

Used to crew on a Paceship 26 out of Edgewater. Raceweek is a hoot. I remember a LOT of boats.....Good Luck!

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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 23:44:02

Bill - I'd sure like to crew with ya! Keep me posted...its a long time.
Never been to Lake Erie, so would love to make the trip!

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Response Posted - 07/23/2005 : 10:25:18

Hi All,

Anybody coming down the Canal , let me know and I can help arrange Slips in the Erie Basin Marina. Maybe we can all sail to Cleveland together from There.

Also Duane would it be possible to rent a slip the weekend before and leave the boat for the week and drive in?

Also if you need help let me know it is only a 3 1/2 hr trip so if you need set up help etc let me know.

Thanks,

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Response Posted - 07/25/2005 : 09:40:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">

Also Duane would it be possible to rent a slip the weekend before and leave the boat for the week and drive in?

Also if you need help let me know it is only a 3 1/2 hr trip so if you need set up help etc let me know.

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Since the weekend before is our regatta is Cleveland Race Week - one design, slips will be limited until the Tuesday or Wednesday prior to our races. That is not to say one will not be available for renting. As we get closer in the spring we can investigate this. There are also a number of other yacht clubs and marinas in the immediate area that allow transient dockage So there are definitely options.

At this point, I don't see a lot of set up time required. A large chunk of the logistical stuff and set-up will already be covered by a bunch of our members and the club staff. I appreciate the offer and might hold you to it down the road. Right now I think we will be okay.

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Response Posted - 08/02/2005 : 16:30:06

I wanted to get this out to all to answer any questions you might have: It contains excerpts of the bid I submitted to the association. I removed much of the tentative or unknown /TBD portions.

dw

HOST ORGANIZATION LOGISTICS

Host Club: Edgewater Yacht Club

City, State: Cleveland, Ohio Zip: 44102

Event: Catalina 25/250 Nationals Year: 2006

Event Date: June 2003 TBD. The event is to be run concurrent with Cleveland Race Week PHRF and JAM Race. The Catalina 25/250 Nationals will be held as an event within Cleveland Race Week.
Race
Location: Lake Erie

Weather
Conditions: Typical June weather conditions, as with most locations are variable. The averages for Lake Erie Waters in and around Cleveland area during June: Water Temperature - 65#61616;, 10 knot wind, Waves 3 feet or less.
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Facilities
BOAT LAUNCHING/STORAGE
Hoists: Two 2 ton Hoists, One 15 ton Travel Lift (hoist would not support a C25, travel lift would) Edgewater Staff will launch and haul all boats racing once. This is included in the regatta costs.

Boat Ramps: Access to a Federally Funded public Ramp less than ¼ mile from Club. This is a public ramp with no charges or fees associated.
Docks and
Dockage: Individual unassigned and otherwise vacant slips during race week are available to paid participants on a first come first serve basis as coordinated and assigned by the yard staff. Rafting off the transient dock in the basin area by racers is available for all other participants. (This is the norm) Participants staying longer than the regatta must make arrangements with the club in advance and adhere to all guest/transient dockage policies, rules and fees. Adjacent clubs and marina’s may be able to provide transient dockage before and after the regatta as well.

Storage: Trailer Storage is available in the adjacent marina. This storage is locked and included in the regatta cost. Once launched, the club will advise owners where to put the trailers.

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ROOMS

Meeting: A small meeting room may be available for an officers meeting.

Protests: Edgewater Yacht Club Maintains a protest room and has a US Sailing approved jury for protests during race week. The Chief Measurer or his designate is responsible for the protest of any measurement as indicated by the National Association Rules. Measurement protest will be the responsibility of the National association and will not be heard by the Cleveland Race Week Jury.

Meals: The club operates a year round restaurant and bar. Additionally food is available for purchase on the patio and or included in the admission price for crew members. The feasibility of an Association Dinner on Saturday has yet to be determined. Reverse billing to reciprocal clubs is available.

Awards: Takes place on the patio, daily awards and overall awards will be given. The 3 fleet national champion trophies, perpetual trophies and any other awards can be incorporated into this presentation.

Measurement: An area will be set aside for sail measurement.
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SPECIAL AMENITIES

Beach: Edgewater State Park Beach is less than a 5 minute walk from the front door

Recreation
Room: None

Handicap
Accessible: Wheelchair access throughout club facilities

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OTHER CLUB INFORMATION:

Edgewater Yacht Club (EYC) is located on Lake Erie adjacent to the 117-acre Cleveland Lakefront State Park, at the western end of the 5 mile-long main harbor and is only minutes to the city's most popular points of interest by land or water.

Services & Facilities

• Gasoline and diesel fueling.
• Pump-out station.
• 15-ton Travel Lift and two 2-ton hoists for Dry Sail.
• Patio with a view of downtown Cleveland, for casual dining during the boating season.
• Waterfront picnic pavilion with grills
• Restrooms and showers available 24/7.
• Wheelchair access throughout Club facilities
• Year-round restaurant and bar.
• Ice, beverages, and limited supplies.

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LOGISTICS

Airport: Cleveland Hopkins International Airport

Distance to Facility: 8 Miles

Transportation
To/from airport: Public Trans., Commercial or Rental

Approx. costs: Cabs available at the airport are less than $20 dollars one way

Food during event: The Club operates a restaurant and bar year round. Additionally a patio bar and grill are normally operating during CRW.

Local housing for sailors (if available): N/A

Hotels: There are dozens of hotels available within a 12 mile radius. Participants staying on the boat should make arrangements with the club for restroom facilities access.
Alternate
Activities: In most years, a band or bands play on the patio after races. Blender Parties and other events occur frequently throughout the event. Arial photos are usually available for view and purchase after each days racing. These are sponsored events

Cleveland also offers a wide range of activities including the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame which is less than a 5 minute drive as is the Great Lakes Science Center, the USS COD and Steamship William Mather all open for tours. All are unplanned and non-sponsored.
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BOATS
Lease/Rental: At this time, there have not been any boats identified as available for rental or lease for the regatta.
Race Committee: Edgewater maintains a sizeable fleet of committee boats and mark boats that will be utilized during the races.
Judge/Umpire: N/A

Spectators/VIP: There are not any spectator boats scheduled at this time. These might able to be arranged with advanced notice.
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Similar events Hosted Recently

1999 J-22 World Championships 67 Boats
2002 J-24 North American Championship 100+ Boats
2002 Evelyn 32 National 7 Boats
2004 Ensign Region 5 Championship 12 Boats
2003 FJ Regional Championship 20 Boats
2003 Evelyn 32 Nationals 9 Boats
2003 Tartan 10 Great Lakes Championship 15 Boats
2003 Mumm 30 Lake Erie Championships 13 Boats
2004 Jet 14 Nationals 31 Boats *
2004 Tartan 10 Lake Erie Championships 15 Boats
2004 Evelyn 32 Nationals 9 Boats
2005 Evelyn 32 Nationals 5-7 Boats
2005 Junior Olympics 90 – 125 Boats

#61558; One of only 12 Yacht clubs nationwide nominated for the 2004 St. Petersburg Trophy as a result of this regatta.
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Tentative Race Schedule

• The race will be sailed under the RRS 2005-2008, PHRF – LE rules and Catalina 25/250 National Association Rules.

Event Time Day Notes
Launch Wednesday Ramp anytime
Launch Thursday Travel lift as scheduled
Sail Measurement 0900 - 1100 Thursday
CLUB PRO Meeting 1300 Thursday
Skippers Meeting 1700 Thursday All Skippers, not just Asn.
Off Time 0800-1700 Friday Enjoy the City

First Race 1800 Thursday Approx 8.1 nm
Second Race 1800 Friday Approx 10nm
Races 3,4,5 all day Saturday Windward Leeward
Races 6,7 all day Sunday and fixed Mark

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Race Notes
PRO
Meeting: A racing presentation by a US Sailing “Club PRO” will be planned for those interested during the afternoon on Thursday. This is not a mandatory meeting.

Fleet: With 6 boats the C25/250 fleet will be given its own start. Upwards of 20 boats might justify our own course, however this is not guaranteed and at the discretion of the club race officers.
Racing would consist of C25 Tall, C25 Standard and C250 (configurations)

Scoring and Rating:

CRW
Scoring: Since this is an “event within an event” there would actually be two regattas taking place. The primary regatta will be Cleveland Race Week. Boats in our fleet will be scored as either PHRF or JAM boats as declared on the application. Scoring will be done using Lake Erie PHRF Ratings. For Cleveland Race Week scoring, there will not be a non-spinnaker offset rating. (PHRF and JAM will be scored separately for Cleveland Race Week)

Other
Scenarios: The possibility of other scenarios for starts, and fleets assignments may occur at the discretion of the PRO. Depending on turnout and other factors, any number of alternatives could occur. The Association will not have control of these logistics. However, the integrity of the same course sailed will be kept for these the 3 configurations. Reasonable accommodations can always be negotiated.

Committee: Edgewater Yacht Club will provide a US Sailing certified race committee for CRW and the National Event.

Scoring: Scoring for both Cleveland Race Week and the National Event will be handled by the race committee as indicated in the Sailing Instructions, Notice of Race and RRS 2005-2008.

Amendments to
Association
Rules: It would be recommended that the association utilizes Rule L-1 in their class rules and rescind the 1985 Rules committee ruling for this regatta to enable boats to compete better in an overall capacity. Motor must be on board, but does not need to be attached. (As indicated in the C25-250 class association bylaws and rules, this was instituted in 1985 by a race committee and not the general membership)

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OTHER

Other PHRF Notes

• Asymmetrical Spinnakers are allowed under PHRF LE provided the total sail area does not exceed the allowed symmetrical sail area.
• Boats racing without spinnakers would do so without adjustment for Cleveland Race Week. PHRF-LE does not have a non spin rating. The adjustment would only apply to nationals scoring.
• Cleveland PHRF Rules can be viewed at www.phrf-le.org

Class Rules, Sailing Instructions and Notice of Race

• Previous year CRW Notice of Race and Sailing instructions are included with this bid for review. The PRO in conjunction with the Chief measurer of the Association will draft theses documents for the 2006 Nationals if the bid is awarded to Edgewater Yacht Club.
• A copy of the Class rules must be delivered to the PRO for Cleveland Race Week well in advance of the Notice of Race being posted.

Registration:

• Registration will be handled by Edgewater Yacht Club

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Response Posted - 08/02/2005 : 20:13:32

06 is going to be so cool. I really hope people are planning now, this should not be missed.

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Response Posted - 08/02/2005 : 23:21:30

I just hope people realize its going to be a different cool compared to your 05 masterpiece Frank.

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Response Posted - 08/26/2005 : 15:59:57

I am still trying to lock the date in and wanted to let you all know I haven't forgotten.

Some good news - I've gotten verbal agreements from 3 major companies thus far to provide some sort of sponsorship. The depth of what they are going to provide is still undetermined, but we do have commitments. I'll provide their names once we have some actual $$ or merchandise committment.

I'd like to get an idea of what to expect with regard to the attendance.
If you plan on attending can you respond to this thread, note if your bringing your boat too.

More to come as soon as we know.

dw

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Response Posted - 08/26/2005 : 17:58:37

Duane - Judy and I hope to be there, but life is uncertain! We definitely will NOT be trailering "This Side Up". If we could beg, borrow (or steal!) a TR I could get the crew to come and defend our championship...

Or, if we could sail a C250 I might be the first of us to win all 3 catagories...

Derek

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Response Posted - 08/29/2005 : 07:59:41

Derek - I'm working on finding boats that might be rentable, but I can't gurantee anything. I have seen a few c25 standards that are for sale. Those owners might consider renting.

dw

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Response Posted - 08/30/2005 : 16:04:44

Duane, Congratulations on this coming to Cleveland

! Eileen and I would love to bring "Leprechaun", But we have never raced in a race like this before and are a litle concerned about # of boats ,course /starts ETC.... We will put this on our calender though. Others coming should also be informed that if they wish to stay longer there are alot of other areas to sail to on Lake Erie. Vermillion is a Very Nice cruising destination as are other towns and the Erie islands are within reach depending on the time you have.

. I was glad to see that there would be a pre-race meeting,that will help get rid of alot of unknown questions! This should be very exciting! By the way we are about a 5 hour drive (with boat and trailer!)

. Alan & Eileen

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