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PamC
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Initially Posted - 07/22/2005 : 10:50:27

Okay, I'm diving in with my first question for all of you experienced and helpful folks. We bought a lovely 1980 C25 last November. Yes, I am in love with my boat. However she does list ever so slightly to port. She's resided at Howard Prairie Lake for several years and the marina staff & club members & PO have all concurred that she always has had this issue. I can understand why as the outboard, fuel tank, galley, porta-potti are all located to port. But the 16 gal water tank (which we keep full) and battery are to starboard to compensate. We're always looking for ways to reduce the list and I suspect it's only noticeable to us at this point (since we spend so much time gazing at her

) And it's just enough that if you're sleeping on the starboard side of the V berth you're aware of it. I'm wondering if any of you have encountered a similar problem.

Pam
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f_sondergaard
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 10:59:13

Our old 1982 25 listed to the starboard. We moved batteries and junk down below....we never got it resolved.....the boat sailed great!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 11:00:14

they all have it, usually just a couple of degrees (barely noticable). Move more stuff to the starboard lockers or get used to it.

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Auburn80
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 11:07:40

I have a 25 Cal that lists to starboard because the water tank and pot are on that side. Use a little math to help you solve it. The full water tank will weigh ~ 110 lb and a battery is 25 - 40 lb. Guage how far from centerline they are and use mass x d to get a torque figure. See if that is close to the outboard (~100 lb x 1') + fuel (~3 gal. x 6 lb/gal x 1.5') galley (your guess) potti (your guess - holding tank size?). Try this; place a mostly full cooler on the port side. Does it eliminate the list? If so, then 30lb is all you need to compensate with which isn't much. You might just need to rearrange some cleaning supplies and other stuff that accumulates in ones boat.

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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 11:22:24

Thanks for the suggestions. Mostly it helps to know it's a common characteristic and we haven't missed something.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:14:06

Hi and welcome to the forum,

This question is asked often and when it is I wonder if wind on the mast and boom might be the culprit. It would be easy to rule out by turning the boat to the oposite direction. Incidentally Calista sits upright on windless days.

Val on Calista # 3936

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 12:30:10

I think the fiberglass structure of the galley area is pretty heavy and the designer simply didn't get the balance 100% right on the early models. Moving some weight around inside should help.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:31:07

In 1981, Catalina started mounting the motors on the starboard side, instead of the port side, to correct the list. The portside list on the 1980 and earlier models is so slight that it can be corrected by weight distribution, and it doesn't significantly affect the boat's sailing ability. I'd forget about it.

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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 07/22/2005 : 19:01:27

I have the dinett model, 1978, and we installed a two burner stove/oven. I finally moved the big Yamaha 4 stroke to the starboard side. It takes a full water tank, two group 24 batteries, and the motor, all on the starboard side, to get the boat almost on a even keel at the dock. Needless to say we are cruisers, not racers. Moving the outboard motor is what made the most difference for me.

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Response Posted - 07/24/2005 : 11:54:11

I have a 79 TR FK with port list tendency compounded by a port mounted outboard and stove/oven modification. I find an adequate supply of Scotch Wiskey on the starboard side an excellent remedy, and good for crew morale. Visitors learn that they have to bring some to mantain this condition.

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DanM
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Response Posted - 07/25/2005 : 17:24:33

Derek,
A 12pack of Molson Stock Ale does the same. But, be careful how much of that ballast you carry when you enter the USA on your canal voyage

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Response Posted - 07/25/2005 : 23:33:28

I noticed every 2 months or so, "Itza Dew Sea" began to list more than normal to port. It took me a while to realize the Admiral could fill a holding tank that quickly. After a good pump out, she stands straight and pretty... and so does our C-25 :)

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Response Posted - 07/26/2005 : 09:48:46

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by IndyJim
 ...It took me a while to realize the Admiral could fill a holding tank that quickly. After a good pump out, she stands straight and pretty... and so does our C-25 :)
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You funny!

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PamC
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Response Posted - 07/26/2005 : 20:10:23

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by thaind
 I have a 79 TR FK with port list tendency compounded by a port mounted outboard and stove/oven modification. I find an adequate supply of Scotch Wiskey on the starboard side an excellent remedy, and good for crew morale. Visitors learn that they have to bring some to mantain this condition.
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Derek this seems like a doable remedy. However I wonder if the density of Boodles Gin is comparable as that would be my preference. And the bottle does fit nicely in the pinrails

Dan, I'm curious how the 12 pack of Molson works as it will eventually end up moving from starboard to port,as that's where the porta-potti is(refer to IndyJim's poast). Seems like it may compound the problem. Unless after the Molson you're listing to starboard and it seems like it's working? Has anyone tried stocking the starboard side with bottles of port?

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John V.
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Response Posted - 07/27/2005 : 14:33:19

The 78 model has the motor, fuel, galley, dinette, holding tank, and head all on the port side. it has taken 250 lbs of lead shot in 25 lb bags to balance out to a 0 degree list. I usually hav 100 lbs of drinking water in the bow locker, that helps a bit in heavy seas none the less when we are loaded for a two week cruise to boot top is just about all under water. Thats ok I think the C25 sails well heavy.

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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 11:44:20

We used some plates from an unemployed weight machine (from when we were young enough to lift something just because it was heavy). That seems to have been the finishing touch.

Thanks for all of your suggestions!! As I said it's good to know it's not just "Prozac" and to hear how others have dealt with it.

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