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Frank Hopper
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Initially Posted - 07/27/2005 : 10:06:49

There is a surprising number of the last series of boats on this forum. Having owned both a mid-series and this last series I am struck by what a good job Catalina was doing in updating the old design to be "modern".
One rap that has proven erroneous was that the last series had less teak. Not really true. The head area is white Masonite over teak and makes a huge difference in how large the area looks. If they were cutting teak the v-berth would not have teak on the back side of the head bulkheads. There is actually more teak trim in the main salon in the form of strips that cover the genoa track bolts and trim the pop-top opening.

The hull liner is completely different. I miss the faux leather but the sponge finish is bright, clean and very modern looking. The quarter-berth headliner is very different and the coaming access panels are gone, the opening port in the quarter-berth is probably nice for most but I want a dark coffin effect for afternoon naps so I will black it out

While I don't care for the switch panel being under the stairs.

It allows you to access all terminations from inside the salon through a thin removable panel. The large storage panel hides the double battery box and factory battery charger

With the batteries moved aft the water tank moves to the old battery locatoion freeing up the old water tank location for hinged storage!

And then there is the flat floor and raised coach roof...

The white table looks much nicer than the old fake teak.

The forward hatch opens and closes without dogs and is much nicer to live with. Note the much larger anchor locker area in the v-berth annd the access pannel for the deck cleat that is in the locker for the anchor bitter end.

I will show the many changes outside later, I'm going sailing. (better pictures are on my site in my sig)

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Brian King
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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 14:23:21

Hey Frank, I am close behind you in numbers #5931. I checked out the pics on your website. My 89 SR/WK looks identical even the same interior fabric color. The only exception is the PIN RAIL!!! I don't have any. Is this something you or PO added?? I noticed it even way back in the aft double (HA, for 2 migets!!) berth back where the motor mount is on the outside. I have thought about adding the pin rail because it just looks great.

Brian King

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gop711
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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 14:54:32

Hello,

I have posted a few questions. I presently owned a C22 and am going to upgrade to a C25. I really like the design of the older C25 wing keel. Are there any differences in the preformance of the older wing keel compared to the new ones? Are there any differences in the structure? Is one model better made than the other?

If you were buying an older C25 would you go with the wing keel as compared to the swing keel?

Thank you in advance

Greg

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 15:55:27

More observations on the 89 wing.
The deeper anchor locker has an upside and downside. Upside is that I can put a 16 lb delta plow anchor in the locker easily, which works a lot better than a Danforth in the grass in the Keys. The downside is that it really encroaches into the Vee berth, making it impossible for a normal size person like me (6' 2") stretch out.

The upside of the white melamine coated plywood in the bathroom area is that it makes it very easily cleaned, and does not absorb splashes, if you get my drift.

Another upside is the inboard mounted jib track.

All interior water drains to the bilge so it is easily pumped (My C22 swing didn't do this, I'm not sure about the C25 swing.)

The front hatch is a Lexan window, which lets in lots of light up front.

No plywood or wood core in the deck, it's all fiberglass, No rotting.

It's easier to step into the boat from the swim ladder due to the lower pulpit at the traveler.

The previous owner relocated the electrical panel, to the port bulkhead, I have since added another panel to the bulkhead, and another one to the left of the steps, due to the addition of lots of electronics and lighting, and accesory outlets.

The 89 is a purpose built wing keel boat, not an added on wing to a swing keel hull like the earlier wings.

Best of all, MY BOAT IS PAID FOR (finally)

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/29/2005 : 15:06:56

Frank's comment about the deck construction is very important, they used the same construction technique as they did with the new Capri 26. The boat has to be far less top heavy. The pop-top and coach roof area are hollow, I just installed my rope clutches and it came as quite a surprise! The flatness of the cabin top is amazing, the boat doesn't even look like a 25 from here.

The way the pop-top interfaces with the cabin top is completely different, it even drains forward.

I do not care for the shorepower location, the coamings are enough different that they put it here.

The stern is much nicer; look no notch in the transom!

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 07/30/2005 : 08:50:59

Hey Frank
I'm so glad you bought an 89 wing.
Your teak rails are looking really good.
Did you know that you can store two cases of beer in the bilge down by the keel bolts? That's what we did on our trip to the Dry Tortugas. problem is the aluminum is so thin that five cans ruptured and after I got back it took me a while to figure out where the funky smell was coming from. I don't recommend it.

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atgep
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Response Posted - 07/30/2005 : 16:09:24

Frank's, You just have to use glass beer bottles in the bilge area.

Tom.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 07/31/2005 : 09:14:45

Glass bottles, yeah, that's the ticket.

And by the way, As Exhaulted Grand Poobah (self appointed, of course)of Catalina 25 fleet 89, I would like to extend a membership invitation to Frank Hopper. We need a good man like you.
And remember, New Members buy the first round.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 07/31/2005 : 12:51:55

Thank you, how much for a burgee?

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 07/31/2005 : 13:15:32

Burgee? We don't need no stinkin burgee

Actually, I have been thinking of a design. It will be of the appropriate level of class, distinction, and decorum

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Kip C
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 08:21:00

Hi Frank,
Checking out your pictures, I noticed your double spinlock clutches. I still have the single cam cleat and was thinking about adding a triple on each side for current and future lines. Do you think they'll fit? There are a bunch of clutches on ebay!

Also, does any other late c25's with internal halyards, have a problem dropping the main? Our exit block for the main halyard is awfully snug and doesn't let line run freely through it.

I was always curious what "Semper Fi' meant and looked it up. "Always Faithful", marine corp. or not, is a great name for a boat!

Enjoy your new boat!

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ilnadi
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 09:23:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Gloss
 More observations on the 89 wing.
No plywood or wood core in the deck, it's all fiberglass, No rotting.
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When did they switch to this? I noticed some dark liquid oozing out of the VHF cable hole near the mast, so I was thinking of taking the mast down and epoxying/re-drilling all the holes (mast base and VHF) in case there was water penetration into the "core". If there is no core, the stuff must be just grime from the outside, right?

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 10:28:18

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Kip C
 Hi Frank,
Checking out your pictures, I noticed your double spinlock clutches. I still have the single cam cleat and was thinking about adding a triple on each side for current and future lines. Do you think they'll fit? There are a bunch of clutches on ebay!

Also, does any other late c25's with internal halyards, have a problem dropping the main? Our exit block for the main halyard is awfully snug and doesn't let line run freely through it.

I was always curious what "Semper Fi' meant and looked it up. "Always Faithful", marine corp. or not, is a great name for a boat!

Enjoy your new boat!
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Buy the new upgraded ballbearing exit blocks from Catalina Direct,

Product #: D1467.
That will help a lot, also buy the new ballbearing deck organizer sheaves

Product #: H1883, unless you are going to change deck organizers. Also you should replace the masthead sheaves, I stayed with the old style but they are old enough to need replacing.

Product #: E1316
Look at the pictures of my old boat and you will see the triple clutches and stacked Harken organizers, definitely the way to go if you want lot of lines led back. I am trying to go a little more minimalist on this boat, the old style decks were hard to move on and sit on anyway so putting stuff all over them was an improvement, the new deck is so clean looking and nicer to walk and sit on that I am trying to stay with only two lines aft on each side and going with my outhaul on the boom, boom-kicker instead of topping lift, cunningham run across hatch directly to the small deck cleat behind the starboard halyard winch, etc.
Back to the Spinlock clutches, I have gone with the smallest line size on this boat, I use 1/4" high-tech halyard and they are in the middle of the design range of these clutches, they will hold your stock halyards but will also hold a smaller halyard when you are ready to replace your stock ones. The 1/4" line fits the exit sheaves very well. I will post some new pictures Sunday night.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 14:23:12

I have triple Spinlock XAS clutches on both sides of my pop top on my 89 wing

I'm glad to see Frank Hopper so excited about his 89 wing. He will like it more and more the longer he has it, you just watch.

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Kip C
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 17:34:36

Frank G,
What do you have running to them? To start out, I'll have the main halyard and reefing line on starboard and cruising spin. halyard, cunningham,and boom vang on port. I've been racing a little this season and find I'm playing more with the outhaul, that may be the next thing to add on starboard.

I don't recall reading much about your keys trip this year. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to read all the details. Maybe something for the Mainsheet? The Bahamas from Fla. is on my "To Do" list, when the kids are a little older.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/05/2005 : 19:13:01

Hey Kip,
Sorry about the lack of report on the Tortugas trip. I guesse I'll have to work on that. I have lots to tell.
I guesse this thread would be a good place to comment on the strength of the 89 purpose built wing.
Two of us members of fleet 89 were rafted up with only my Delta plow set. A sudden storm with 40 mph winds and 3 foot waves came up in the anchorage. I was on my boat alone with a bad cold with everyone else touring the fort. All of a sudden I feel and hear banging. I look out the hatch and we are beached on short with the waves and wind pushing us up further. The first thing I did was remove both rudders, and lift both Hondas. I'll save my conversation with the Ranger for the full report, you wont't believe that.
To make it short, we kedged my boat off, but by now Dwight's boat is well up on shore on the side. It took a dozen helpers pushing the boat, three pulling on the main halyard to tilt the boat, and kedged anchor, and a Rib with a 50 hp motor pulling to get Dwight's 89 wing floated. The wing was "Danforthed" in really good too.The only damage is abraded bottom paint. And damaged egos.
Kudo's to Catalina for making a really tough boat. Too bad they only made 223 of them.

As far as what I'm using in my clutches, the main on the right, and the jib on the left. I still have to put single line reefing, boom vang, and since I really like my topping lift, I plan to run it through the port clutch. I don't have a spinnaker yet.

I have other good stories to tell, like about the Coasties and Park service patrolling for Cubans armed with lots of guns. Cubans being given $10,000 each by the US Taxpayer if they sucsessfully sneak past the patrols and get "feet dry" on Loggerhead key. (You are gonna like/hate this story)

Being hassled by the Ranger lady for trading beer for ice with a fisherman (she wanted to fine me 500 bucks--she had a big gun on her hip, armed and dangerous)

Yes, lots of good stories to tell

Anybody interested?

Should I make it a serial story "Adventures with Fleet 89" or maybe Jackleg Tours rides again

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glivs
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Response Posted - 08/09/2005 : 20:18:47

Another difference in the 89's is the blister barrier applied to the hull. Catalina guidelines suggest no sanding and use of appropriate chemical bonding undercoating prior to application of anti-fouling paint.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/09/2005 : 21:55:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by glivs
 Another difference in the 89's is the blister barrier applied to the hull. Catalina guidelines suggest no sanding and use of appropriate chemical bonding undercoating prior to application of anti-fouling paint.
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This was the first hull that I power washed and scrapped with no sanding, I really wasn't all that bad. I then used the recommended prep chemical from interlux and then VC-17. I was great and I look forward to simple bottom maintenance from now on.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 14:19:55

Hey Gerry,
What is this blister barrier that you are referring to?
I have heard that the 89's have a vinylester resin hull which is blister resistant, is that what you are referring to? Or is it some additional coating?

You too can join fleet 89 ( a pirate fleet if there ever was one--argghhhh)

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 00:52:17

My boat has a very distinctly gray coating that shines like a mirror on the hull below the waterline. It is obviously a factory finish. I figured it was the vinylester.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 20:09:44

Hey Frank,
I wonder if you have a coating of Interlux Interprotect 2000, which is a grey epoxy barrier coat to prevent blistering. I used some of that on my Catalina 22. If that is it, you are doing well. That stuff cures out hard as iron.
My current hull bottom is white
Either way, I'm 99.9% sure that the 89 hulls have a vinylester resin.
I forget where I read that.
I gotta do a bottom job soon, aarrrrgghhhhh

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 23:08:16

No, not interlux barrier coat, factory finish, like a mirror. I have sen barrier coats on serious racers that are never in the water more than a few hours, when you touch them you are not sure you actually felt anything. This is not an after market barrier coat. The mirror finish has to be from a mold.

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Response Posted - 08/13/2005 : 12:24:10

Frank & Frank
My 89 boat has the same silver gel coat below the water line. I completed an interprotect barrier coat & VC 17 bottom job on it last fall after puchase. It had many small hairline cracks / blisters on it before the bottom job was done. Frank G. can attest to that. I will let you know how it looks after it's first year back in the water when I pull it in the fall. It did hold up well on the beach at Dry Tortuga.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 : 17:08:04

Here is a very nice mod on ann 89

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