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DaveC25
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Initially Posted - 07/28/2005 : 06:36:25

I'm should be finished with the major portion of the bottom paint removal in the next couple days. I made good progress yesterday and finished the whole starboard side and also the rear of the port side. After I'm done with the port side I'll do what's left of the bottom and the keel, and then be ready to do where the boat sits on the trailer rails.

For all you guys and gals that have done this on a trailer, how did you get the boat off the trailer support rails in order to remove and paint under it?

Any inputs would be appreciated. I think I might be able to rig some sort of jack to lift the back, and then the front. But if someone else has done I'd love to hear how.

-DaveC25

1979 Catalina 25 "Pretty Penny" #1166
Palm Bay, Florida

Edited by - DaveC25 on 07/28/2005 06:39:03

thaind
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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 09:18:16

I have seen a thread, but don't know where that shows lines secured to one side of boat and tailed over 50" or so to a pickup truck. Truck was driven and boat "rolled" until load was released. I was skeptical of line stretch, and would certainly use 2X6 or other solid bracing as well before droping supports on trailer.

To accomplish the same task this spring I fasioned a V-block from 2X12 stock and lifted transom end with a 2 ton shop crane until weight was off rear supports, strapped bow down hard to trailer, and added aditional support by strapping aft end to shop ceiling (we are designed for major snow load here). I simply reversed process for fore end. The boat seems to sit perfectly on keel with pads simply providing stability, but I would not wish to put this to a total test.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 11:31:43

You have 2 or three options -

1 - Get a boat yard to put you on jack stands and do all the steps from soup to nuts for that area in one day.
2. Depending on the trailer, if you can raise and lower the bunks, support the boat with a jack stand or a padded hydraulic jack and lower the bunks and work quickly.

3 Jack up a portion of the boat out of the trailer. and work Quickly

4. Skip that area entirely and drink a beer

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Happy D
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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 12:49:36

I just receintly rolled my boat to Port on the trailer using some jacks. I was surprised at how light the boat was. The jacks wern't working hard at all. Of course, the back of the keel is resting on the trailer.
What you can do is pull the boat hard up to the bow blocks. Let the keel down onto the trailer and give the cable a little slack. Tie one side to the trailer using the primary winch and jack the boat up under the skeg. The boat will lift up off the roller on the other side. Let that roller down and paint that area.
It's easier than you think.
Good Luck
Dan

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DaveC25
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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 13:29:05

Thanks for all the tips, guys. I especially like Duane's #4.

I guess I'll try tying the thing to the side of th etrailer and then jacking it up from underneath on the side I want to do. Then I should be able to drop that rail as you guys mentioned.

-DaveC25

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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 13:48:32

Dave, when I purchased Penny back in 88 I wondered how strong the WK was on the boat and how much weight it could hold so I call Catalina, their answer was it could sit on the wing forever and they sent me a picture of a C30 sitting on its wing high and dry with someone standing under it. Using that info and no trailer I use to clean the bottom 4 times a year by grounding the boat at high tide, tieing it off to a tree on the bow, the anchor to port and the dock to starboard. When the tide went out she stood straight and tall while I cleaned the hair off the bottom. When the tide came in I let her lose and parked her back in the slip. It would seem that a trailer would be no different than grounding the boat. I would tie off one side for stability and lower the bunk on the other, clean that area then reverse the process to do the other side. I don't know what if anything you have to tie it too, but a truck or auto should provide what you need.
Will send you more info by EM.

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John P
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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 14:35:55

intersting idea!

Dave, you are more motivated than I. My boat could use a fresh bottom job, but I said I would do it next year. being that I bought it over a month ago, I could have done it a few times already. Oh well. There is always next year.

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DaveC25
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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 17:16:07

I am not sure if she is sitting solely on the keel on the trailer as the side boards are flexed under her belly. But I'll try rocking her to see if she comes off the boards a little. If so, then that's how I'll do it.

-DaveC25

JohnP: It's pretty tuff scraping, but I just keep thinking about sailing and this is just something I have to do before I can enjoy her. It keeps me motivated. :)

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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 20:45:39

This is how I did it. Note the curved supports. I took the board off these curved supports and made straight supports (inboard ones)using the same board. Normally these curved ones keep the keel centered on the trailer while launching. They actually rest just next to the center board portion of the wing. I simply used a floor jack to raise the boat off the trailer one support at a time. Next time I will borrow some more jacks so I can maybe do 4 corners at a time instead on inching it up. Loosen a bolt then jack then tighten. Work your way around keeping an eye that there isn't too much in any direction. Make sure you're on level ground etc...

Note the wing is off the trailer. That's how I got under it.

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Response Posted - 07/28/2005 : 22:39:05

I recently did all of this to my new 89 wing. I scraped and painted on the trailer then used our club hoist to finish where the pads had been. Painted the pad areas, the bottom of the wing, then went and had a beer while it dried and then launched; life is good at Cheney. Hoists sure are nice!

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DaveC25
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Response Posted - 08/01/2005 : 15:07:04

Hey guys.. here is a status update:

I got a letter from the city claiming that I'm not allowed to have a boat on my driveway (which is odd since there are at least 5 houses I know of that have a boat on thier driveway's around here).... I guess someone complained......but i took her over to my girlfriends house in Malabar and there she sits. I had to fence her in so the horses wouldn't chew on her (hehe) but I ended up getting most of the bottom paint off her. The only thing left is about a 3'x3' area plus what is under the trailer rails.

Hopefully I'll be able to get her scraped after work this week and then this weekend put on her new paint after I repair her. There are alot of little dings that were repaired long ago. The putty in these dings is wearing out and cracking so I will dig them out and repair all of them before I repaint.

I'll keep you guys informed.

Also, does anyone know of a web host where I could upload pictures to display?

Talk to you guys later...
-DaveC25

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 08/01/2005 : 15:41:20

www.photobucket.com

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Scooter
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Response Posted - 08/01/2005 : 17:28:35

Another one is http://www.shutterfly.com/home/signin_member.jsp

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DaveC25
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Response Posted - 08/02/2005 : 06:20:10

Here are some pictures of Penny. As you can see I've been scraping her hull. Once I repair some of her small dings then I'll be able to repaint her and then put her in the water.

The paint along the water line is the worst. It's like fused with the hull or something. I am going to try that Safety Strip on there at lunch time so I can hopefully scrape it off after work.

Pictures of Pretty Penny:

-DaveC25

Edited by - DaveC25 on 08/02/2005 06:27:06

bbriner
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Response Posted - 08/03/2005 : 13:25:24

Dave - it looks like you found a photo site, but fyi, another good one is Pbase.com. This site has some truly awesome images (I'm not including mine in that category).

Here's a link to my new bottom project:
http://www.pbase.com/bbriner/new_bottom

That was a year ago and it still looks good! The difference before and after was simply amazing... of course after seeing what kind of shape the bottom was in it's not that hard to believe. Disclaimer - I had just bought the boat :)

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DaveC25
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Response Posted - 08/03/2005 : 13:55:53

Thanks Bill for the photos. You've given me new hope!

Your Hull came out really nice!

It looks like, aside from the barnacles, that your hull was in slightly better condition than mine. Mine has a lot of dings or holes that were filled with some sort of putty in the past. The putty is now cracking so I must dig it out and refill the holes.

-DaveC25

Edited by - DaveC25 on 08/03/2005 13:56:43

Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/03/2005 : 17:38:28

Note the head on the powerwash wand in this photo, it is a secret weapon. It pulses and does a much better job than a straight head. If you use a powerwasher, get this head!!!

Edited by - Frank Hopper on 08/03/2005 17:39:37

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