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Phredde
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Initially Posted - 08/09/2005 : 20:31:52

Total bill with shipping, shipping container, access plate, all new hardware, and some glass and gelcoat: $764

Any tips on installation? I've read the prior posts. Current plan is to just lay my old and new rudders side by side to drill holes and mount hardware.

Phredde
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/09/2005 : 22:01:52

Wow that is a lot of money. I sure hope you are happy with it. I am with mine, as for advise... not me, that price has me scared!

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 06:28:01

The first thing you must do is lay the two rudders side by side to make sure you have the right one. There are three different configurations of semi balanced rudders for the C25. I was sent the wrong one, even though I send a detailed plan of my rudder. Catalina did pay for it's return and sent me a tiller handle with hardware for free as a way of saying "I'm sorry about that"
I forgave them.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 06:28:26

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 16:55:36

Ordered from where? Factory? CD? I see that you are in SF. Shipping from Woodland Hills shouldn't be so bad......

I am in sticker shock. I think I might get a rudder from IdaSailor for $400 and then lobby the Association to declare it class legal so I can race with it.....

One hunk of fiberglass with a core should NOT cost that much, IMHO. Ahhhhgggggghhhh

Gary B,
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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/10/2005 : 21:10:40

I believe that I paid about 480 for my semi balanced rudder with new pintles direct from the Catalina parts department. They had to build me one but they delivered it to me air freight in the Keys while I was on vacation.
I guesse it was my grovelling that helped that deal. But then when I needed a new sole for my cockpit entry they had me send them my old one, and they had their wood shop custom make me a new one out of teak for 20 bucks.
I can't imagine buying any other used boat than a Catalina

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Phredde
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Response Posted - 08/11/2005 : 20:30:30

Yep it really added up. I ordered through CD, they had one already built and reserved at the factory. The costs were something like this:

487 rudder
38 = 18.95 x 2 gudgeons
40 = 19.80 x 2 pintles
20 inspection kit (for the big hole I need to drill)
20 west system kit to drill and fill over-size holes
20 gelcoat repair kit (because my transom got pretty roughed up during crisis mode)
46 shipping container (plywood box)
31 shipping cost
60 taxes

So I still need to buy some oversize nuts and bolts! - CD doesnt sell them, only the 1/4" kind that caused my whole problem. I might have gotten a little screwed on the "shipping container" and the fiberglass. But am happy to get one soon, so I can get back out there and enjoy the rest of the summer.

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GregOnC25
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Response Posted - 08/12/2005 : 23:17:14

This thread is timely for me. Today my rudder split open at the seam. I forgot my CD catalog on the boat. I suppose I need the catalog to look at pictures and compare, etc., since CD sells a couple rudder options. Not looking forward to spending that much money or the installation. What's this about oversized bolts? Is that necessary? Will you have to re-drill the pintles to fit larger bolts. Let us know how this goes.....and good luck!

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/13/2005 : 08:41:43

Here is what I did, you choose your own option.
When I got my new rudder, I also ordered the upgrade heavy duty gudgeons from Catalina Direct. I installed an inspection plate on the transon too. When I purchased my boat the lower gudgeon was loose and the cause of the leak into the bilge. I drilled out the gudgeons and transom so I could use 5/16" machine bolts instead of the 1/4" bolts which was standard.
I don't know if that was necessary, but I also use my gudgeons to support a mast up, and I didn't want any loosening or leaking. So far it's tight and leak free.
The Catalalina Direct upgrade gudgeons are really heavy duty, and I'm glad I bought them. Bombproof.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 08/13/2005 : 09:41:44

To me, the 1/4" original C-25 gudgeon bolts seem more appropriate for a 22' boat. The 5/16" bolts with fender washers and backing plates (fiberglass in my case) look like they will provide a comforting safety margin. Keep in mind that, on the scale of offshore "Gosh darn it!

" developments, a steering system failure is up near the same end of the scale as standing rigging failure.

-- Leon Sisson

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GregOnC25
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Response Posted - 08/14/2005 : 11:06:44

Thanks all. I will call CD on Monday....hopefully they have a rudder in stock!

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 08/14/2005 : 14:49:15

Don't forget to check those measurements before ordering Greg

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GregOnC25
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Response Posted - 08/15/2005 : 20:45:03

Frank,
Unlike Catalina Parts, CD only has one size of balanced rudder, as far as I can tell. Problem is they are back-ordered 3-4 weeks (I need to verify this timing). The Catalina Factory has to make more. This is very disappointing!

Leon,
I will go with 5/16" bolts in heavy duty gudgeons. Are the standard 1/4" bolts strong enough for the pintles?
Greg

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 08/15/2005 : 21:16:35

Yes, 1/4" pintle bolts seem OK because they're in shear only, and in two places each. sort of like having twice as many of them. I prefer the ones which are full diameter shank almost all the way to the nut. To find them at a reasonable price, I buy hex heads according to unthreaded length, and then trim off the excess threaded end. The gudgeon bolts are in shear too for the most part, but the lower ones sure are under tension when your rudder hits something!

-- Leon Sisson

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jwilliams
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Response Posted - 08/17/2005 : 01:46:01

One of my favorite topics...

I have the balanced rudder and I did the complete upgrade with thru-bolting 1/4 bolts and backer plates about three years ago.

Then on spring inspection I noticed one of the lower bolts slightly protruding. It had sheared right where the threads stopped and the unthreaded shoulder begins.

I decided that after three gudgeon events I was tired of this C _ _ P!

She now has three pintle/gudgeons instead of two, 5/16 bolts with shoulders that go completely through the inner bronze backer (I use a larger 1/4 thick SS backer also separated from the bronze by a nylon pad to prevent bimetal corrosion).

Even so, I inspect and wiggle the gudgeons every time I go out.

Jim Williams
Hey Jude C25fk 2958

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