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another stupid question, now about halyards

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77Gypsy
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Initially Posted - 05/06/2003 : 09:31:49

my rig is still down and have visibly noticed 2 halyards at a quick glance. I do have the factory original roller furling system. the stupid question is:
does teh jib/roller furling system stay up with a halyard, or does the rollor system keep the jib up? my reason for this is that i want to fly an asym spinna nd do not want to install another halyard. my mast has been down for 4 weeks now, i haven't ecen sailed this thing yet. anymore delays and i'll buy a power boat,(blasphemy)!

Steven de Filippis
78 C25 SR/FK - Gypsy

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Earl Landers
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 10:01:11

Steven,
On my really old CDI, the jib is held up with a "Cam" at the top of the luff extrusion, and the halyard has been disconected.

Earl Landers
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77Gypsy
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 10:38:13

when you say disconnected, was it removed completey? or do you have a spare halyard now. i eleive i have that same old CDI.

Steven de Filippis
78 C25 SR/FK - Gypsy

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 13:20:07

Steven,

I believe that all spinnakers have to fly from a halyard hoisted forward of the headstay, because they jibe forward of the stay. (Unlike a drifter, which, as I understand it, can be tacked inside the stay like a genoa.) So a spare jib halyard won't necessarily work.

It's easy to add a real spinaker halyard. Just hang an appropriate block from the 3/8" or 5/16" diameter pin in the most forward cross hole in the masthead fitting just ahead of the headstay. I think I used a Harken #2600 (57mm "Carbo AirBlock") and enough 3/8" Dacron double braid to reach from a little below the waterline, up to the masthead, back down to the mast base, and aft to my cabin top clutch and winch. Spinnaker halyards are usually run externally, even if the main and jib are internal. With an asymetrical, I assume you won't be using a pole, and so won't need a pole topping lift and related hardware.

-- Leon Sisson

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Earl Landers
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 14:55:07

Steven,
Sorry about the imprecise language. The Jib halyard is still on the mast, but has no current function. I did use it as a temporary forestay, after stepping the mast, before attaching the furler drum, but didn't trust it much.

Earl Landers
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 16:51:35

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>"It's easy to add a real spinaker halyard. Just hang an appropriate block from the 3/8" or 5/16" diameter pin in the most forward cross hole in the masthead fitting just ahead of the headstay."<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>

That's what I thought last spring when I rigged a block and spinnaker halyard then raised my mast, only to find out that the upper swivel shackle on my Harken furler was getting fouled on the spinnaker halyard because they were so close together.

Anyway, I couldn't resolve this issue so I brought the halyard down and started my search for a masthead crane to get the spinnaker halyard block out and away from the swivel. After having no luck finding a crane, I made my own crane out of a piece of stainless steel sheet metal, a SS boom bale, and three SS 5/16" clevis pins(made from 5/6" SS bolts with the threads cut off and a hole drilled in the end for a cotter pin). Total cost of materials was $21.00. I haven't installed it yet, but it will move the attachment point for the spinnaker block 5" farther out from the masthead, which will hopefully be enough to get the halyard away from the swivel. Additionally, since the crane has a curved attachment point(boom bale) for the spinnaker block, it will allow the block to move from side-to-side depending on what tack the boat is on.

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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 17:56:17

I have the old CDI furler also. Added a spinnaker halyard same as Leon described. It doesn't hang up on the top of the furler, depending on how and where it's cleated off.

Normally I have it shackled to the base plate of the mast and it is fine. One time last year I did something different and it started to wrap, but was easy to move to avoid it doing that again.

John Mason
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ronrryan
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Response Posted - 05/06/2003 : 20:11:36

(1)IF you have a CDI furler, it has its own halyard, so you are left with one spare halyard, likely the jib. As has been pointed out, it is one thing to RAISE a sail (spinnaker) it is another to FLY it clear of everything else. (2) NO dumb questions---just needing info. Some day YOU will be helping others. We all learn by doing. Fair winds, ron srsk 32343 oRION sw fl

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77Gypsy
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Response Posted - 05/07/2003 : 13:42:07

i'm getting the spinnaker it's own halyard. i plan to put one on this weekend. the mast is down still so i should get all of this overwith.

Steven de Filippis
78 C25 SR/FK - Gypsy

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