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John P
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Initially Posted - 08/17/2005 :  18:49:11  Show Profile  Visit John P's Homepage
Most of you have seen my thread in the general forum. This is just a request for a little information.

Below is a pic of the piece I removed. I showed it to my repair guy and he is curious of how far down the keel this happened. His first impression is to not worry about. If I am worried about it, he says to just put some marine-tek on it to get me through the remainder of the season. So, on to the question. Hopefully below you will see some pics of the piece I removed.

this is the piece as a whole. In all pics, the straight edge is from the leading edge of the keel.



This is the piece when I removed the top half of it. The exterior piece has cloth in it, the inner piece has cloth and what could be fairing material (guessing).



The last pic shows the back side of the piece. There is a smooth part that I believe was up against the keel.




Just got the estimate from the yard. $2000! Still hopeful it will be back in order when I get back.
'84, C-25, SR/FK, #4663, "ILLUSIONS", Chazy, NY (Lake Champlain)
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John P
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Response Posted - 08/17/2005 :  18:51:24  Show Profile  Visit John P's Homepage
The good news is that I can pull the boat Friday and let it sit for two weeks. My thought is to address it then and maybe relaunch in early Sept.
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 :  08:35:33  Show Profile


John,

If this piece broke off below the keel stub, I would think that you should be okay. In the past, I've run into hard objects that caused similar damage to the material used to fair the keel and I just patched it up at the end of the season.
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John P
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 :  08:50:27  Show Profile  Visit John P's Homepage
That's sort of my optimistic opinion as well. But since I will be away from the boat for the next 17 days, I figure it best to pull it and get a good fix. Def worth the haul fee for my piece of mind.
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 :  09:17:24  Show Profile
I sort of agree with your repair guy. I'd coat it with a barrier coat of some kind (a coal tar epoxy, like VC Tar, would be my first choice), and then fill it with Marine Tex or similar resin, and then just check it whenever the boat is out of the water, to be sure it stays sealed.

As I recall, your keel is encapsulated lead. From your description, it sounds like a small piece of the fiberglass sheath covering the lead keel came off, exposing the bare lead. You want to be sure to keep water out of the capsule, because, once inside, it can't escape, and it can freeze during the winter and do more damage. A couple coats of coal tar epoxy should seal it reasonably well.

Coal tar epoxy is fairly expensive, and you won't need much. If your repair guy has some, perhaps he'll put a couple of coats on it for you for a reasonable cost. If not, I'd just buy the smallest can available, and save the rest for any future needs. (It has lots of other uses, like stopping rust on an older tow vehicle, or for coating anything made of iron that will be buried underground, or that will get wet.)

Some people might consider the coal tar unnecessary, but, water is one of the most invasive substances known, and, given time, it can penetrate almost anything. I think it's worth a little extra time and cost to seal it out whenever you can.
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John P
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 :  13:58:18  Show Profile  Visit John P's Homepage
Here are the taken today when the boat was pulled.





So, the damage is worse than I suspected. Basically it (thinking rock ledge of dredged river) dug in and tore a chunk out, but the force also split the front of the glass on the leading edge of the keel.

So, she is on the hard again, Ins adjuster comes on Monday and hopefully all will be repaired when I get back from my trip just in time to relaunch.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 08/22/2005 :  21:42:30  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
You could fix that thing with Carbon Fiber for that price and have enough left over for a new outboard. I'm curious as to how the insurance works out. Please post and let us know about the experience.

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John P
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Response Posted - 08/22/2005 :  21:45:49  Show Profile  Visit John P's Homepage
Ins co dropped a check off to the yard today minus the deductable. I was glad I have insurance.
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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 08/22/2005 :  22:10:42  Show Profile
What insurance company do you have?
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John P
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Response Posted - 08/22/2005 :  22:51:24  Show Profile  Visit John P's Homepage
unfortunately, it's progressive. It's unfortunate since BoatUS is about half. I intended to change the policy this fall.
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/23/2005 :  07:48:41  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
There are very few Deals in insurance, just different policies. I use State Farm, a friend uses Boat US. When my $300 Hobie was destroyed, State Farm paid per my replacement cost policy and wrote me a check for $2500. When My friends mainsail was destroyed in the same storm His Boat US policy depreciated his 9 year old main to zero.

Where ever you buy, make sure you get what you will want when you have a claim not what you want when you pay the premiums.
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