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Kief
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Initially Posted - 04/28/2002 : 16:00:43

New C25 (1978) owner here. Fixed keel, "L shaped" traditional interior. Compliments to the vast store of knowledge on this forum.

Boat needs work and I will be doing it at my home. Need info/advice on keeping the vessel upright. I searched and read previous posts from Fall of last year and am seeking any supplemental ideas from experienced owners.

Should I purchase boat stands or fashion a cradle? Do you know of any sources that provide economical (but most importantly, secure) stands? Any source of used stands you might know? Is any one selling stands or cradle?

Thanks much for any help and I'm looking forward to being able to provide information for others on this great forum...

Kief

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/28/2002 : 16:56:22

Congratulations and welcome, Kief!

One advantage with stands: you can shift them around as you work on the bottom, although you might want an extra one for that purpose. A cradle leaves 4 areas you can't get to without lifting the boat off. (Either way, the same is true for the bottom of the keel, which should be blocked to hold most of the weight.

What about a trailer? How are you getting it to and from your home?

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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dgabel
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Response Posted - 04/28/2002 : 17:23:36

Two years ago I bought a cradle (new) from Jowi. You can find them on the Web at www.jowi.com. Or you can call at 252-524-4446.

I bought new because I couldn't find a cradle in this area that I was sure would be OK for the boat. The one I got was the smallest the company makes, and, frankly, it's a little too light for the Catalina 25. But I only move the boat about 3 miles from house to launch ramp. If you got the larger cradle, then you'd have uprights that are too long for the length of the Catalina's keel.

Dave's comment about the four points that you can't reach is apt. I use a lolly column that I anchor in the dirt, the top end of which I place on the hull next to a pad from the cradle. Then I lower the pad on the cradle to paint the hull where the cradle pad is. Wait 'til it's dry, remove the lolly column and raise the crdle pad.

This cradle, by the way, has a 2 x 8 running down its length that the keel sits on. When my hauler sets the boat up in the yard, be places concrete blocks under the keel at the front and back (under the plank, of course) to support the keel.

I have never seen the bottom of my keel, and I shudder to think what might be there. I have one boat yard here that offered to lift the boat and give me an hour or so under there to scrape off the crud and put on bottom paint, but I don't know whether I'll take them up on it or not.

With a cradle, most boat haulers can put your boat and cradle on a trailer and move it. With stands, you'll need a hauler who has a trailer with hydraulic lifts to lift your boat onto a trailer for transport.

Cheers,

Dave Gabel
Walkure, #1484
Northport, NY

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/28/2002 : 18:03:57

We have a cradle somewhere in sandusky OH. Haven't seen it in almost 2 years now as we have been using jackstands. Its for a swing , but I bet it could be rigged on way or another to make it work. shoot me an email monday and we can discuss it further.

dw

Duane Wolff
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/28/2002 : 19:53:48

Dimentions for a cradle look in tech tips section at the end near Wind Lass. If you cant find it E mail me and Ill send the dimentions in the event you decide to build one.

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Response Posted - 04/28/2002 : 21:06:29

Stands are a flexible solution that work well. At around $70 each they're reasonably priced too. A secure setup has 3 pair along the hull (connected with chain) and another at the bow. You can get away with one less pair but to my mind $140 is cheap insurance and the extra set makes repositioning them easier and safer. This option has the boat (mine is a wing) resting on 8 cinder blocks (2 rows high) topped with 2 2x12's. It's rather sad to have to report that the boat has not budged an inch in any direction for months this way.

Andy P.
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jm
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 11:03:36

My preference is a cradle primarily for piece of mind (safety) reasons. Jack stands just don't look as secure. The yard I store my boat at insists on cradles. The failure, slippage, sinkage or tipping of any of the jack stands (from wind, someone driving into one, kids messing around with them) may result in a boat falling over, with obvious 'domino' consequences. Also, from the yard's perspective, using jack stands requires specific hull blocking knowledge, and is more time consuming, and provides less revenue from cradle storage fees. Using a cradle doesn't require one to know the exact adjustment for each of the contact points of each jack stand - just set the cradle at the desired plane (higher at the bow), lower the boat into the cradle and block/wedge to set it, on to the next boat. Check with your insurance carrier to see if they have a requirement for one or the other.

Also, here is a quote from a Tom Bloomer, Hartley DE.

>Proper blocking for a fin keel sailboat should have jackstands in >these locations:
>
> 1. A 'V' jackstand on the centerline at the forward collision bulked
> or major forward transverse member.
> 2. Port and starboard jackstands at the mast step transverse support.
> 3. Keel support blocks to support the weight of the keel only.
> 4. Port and starboard jackstands at the companionway bulked.
> 5. port and starboard jackstands at the next aft transverse support
> structure or at the transom if there is no major transverse > sructure between the companionway bulked and the stern.
>
> Unfortunately there is no school for this stuff. Some yards have
> these standards, but most have no clue. I was fortunate enough to > learn on-the-job at some of the best yards on the Chesapeake. I
> have also repaired several boats that were damaged by improper
> blocking at some of the worst yards . . . The best solution IMHO is > to have a custom cradle built for your boat if you plan to haul and >dry store it for the winter - everybody should have a cradle for >their baby!

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 12:17:03

Just an after thought Im sorry I did not put up the link to the tech tip with the cradle that I sent in but I don't know how to put a link on my reply.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/29/2002 : 14:28:14

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Just an after thought Im sorry I did not put up the link to the tech tip with the cradle that I sent in but I don't know how to put a link on my reply.

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Douglas,

The easiest way is to go to the page, copy the address from your browser (highlight, right click, copy) and just paste it into your text. That is all I did with the link below as an example. www.phrf-le.org

I usually like to put a little space inbetween that and my text so that the automatic hotlink thing doesn't read the wrong address. Even better, if it is something easy like www.catalinadirect.com or www.catalinayachts.com just type it in. The system will do the rest.

DW

Duane Wolff
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