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OJ
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Initially Posted - 05/03/2002 : 12:27:28

"Have you flogged your crew today?"

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 14:44:06

The whippings will continue untill moral improves (Lattitudes and attitudes)

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 17:42:05

You'll get there faster in a power boat.
In a sailboat, you're already there!

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 17:53:22

IF YOU CAN READ THIS YOU'RE SAILING TOO DAMN CLOSE!!

Derek

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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 17:57:32

(If you can read this )..or your in a power boat gone amock

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c25sailor
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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 18:22:04

If this boat's a-rockin' this keel's a-knockin'.

Ed Jakubas
Lucyna II
1982 TR/SK #2801

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dave andersen
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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 19:45:43

"There's old sailors, and bold sailors,
but no old, bold sailors."

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 19:48:25

<img src="http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1677_10629532" border=0>

Don Lucier, Northstar
C25 SR/FK

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 22:02:53

Don, Don... Have we lost you to the Dark Side??

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 23:19:04

<img src="http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/picard/32/vader/block.jpg" border=0>

I don't believe so, Dave,...Why do you ask?

Don Lucier, Northstar
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coldducks
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Response Posted - 05/03/2002 : 23:37:27

SAILING.... the fine art of getting wet and becomming ill while slowly going no where at a great expense. I LOVE IT...

COLDDUCKS
FANTASY #409 C250WK

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 05/04/2002 : 01:11:30

Attitude the differance between ordeal and adventure (Latitudes and attitudes)

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/04/2002 : 10:07:33

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Attitude the differance between ordeal and adventure (Latitudes and attitudes)
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
That publication needs an editor--4 misspellings in 2 transom stickers! <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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BCain
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Response Posted - 05/05/2002 : 15:30:59

SAILING, the fine line between courage and stupidity!

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Greg Jackson
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Response Posted - 05/05/2002 : 20:25:06

My other boat is a Hinkley

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 07:55:06

Not really a transom sticker but...On Crossing the path of a freighter:

Sometimes the Freighter Wins, Sometimes the Sailboat wins, There is never A tie!!

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
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OJ
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 09:11:24

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
IF YOU CAN READ THIS YOU'RE SAILING TOO DAMN CLOSE!!
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This reminds me of the time we were jockeying for position at the start of a race, light air, beam reach, my genoa was touching the shoulder of the helmsman on a boat to my port.
My wife came up with a new slant on an old phrase during that start "don't tack 'til you see the whites of their eyes <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> !"

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Derek Crawford
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 10:31:00

Steve - did you do your 720?
Derek

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 11:43:46

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Steve - did you do your 720?
Derek
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Derek, your assuming there was a 720 or 360 provision in the Rules. If there wasn't, he really didn't have to do anything except get off the course.

DW

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
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OJ
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 12:32:48

The guy I was shadowing was new to racing so he didn't realize it was an infraction.

I love hazing new racers <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 12:51:42

Derek and Duane,

You guys are both assuming that the two boats were sailing on starboard tack. If they were sailing on port tack (as in a port-tack start), the other boat could be guilty of the foul. It should have headed up to windward to avoid contact with the leeward boat. Based on what Steve told us, we don't have enough facts to DSQ either boat.

Steve, speaking as your attorney, you have a right to remain silent. You don't have to tell those guys diddly-squat! <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

Steve Milby "Captiva Wind" C-25 T/FK #2554

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 13:48:13

Steve if they had been on a port tack how could the how could the genoa touch the boat to port. ??? Must have been realy gusty.

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Douglas
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 13:49:43

Wait a minute Im getting confused here.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 14:01:45

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
Steve, speaking as your attorney, you have a right to remain silent. You don't have to tell those guys diddly-squat! <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Steve I never said that I thought that OJ was in the wrong, I was merely stating that you need to have a 720 provision in your SI's or the penalty would be much more severe.

Also, I think there is enough info given to come up with the following scenarios.

1. Assume both boats are on Stbd Tack. Since the term Shadowing was used, we can rule out that OJ could have been the overtaking vessel, The driver himself claims to be following. Therefore, once overlap occurred he would have been the windward boat and in the wrong.

2. On the opposite tack boats, If OJ was indeed shadowing, the contact boat would have just gybed in which case Steve Madsen would have been bearing down on him. Steve says they tacked away, if the boat he was following was now coming back at him close enough to put the genny on the drivers shoulder, a tack away would have most likely put his transom into the other guys port side, This didn't occur so I think we can rule this out with relatively great certainty.

So the real question remains, did the other skipper say the word "protest" Because if he didn't use that terminology, no penalty turns are required.

DW

Duane Wolff
"The Flying Wasp"
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Edited by - Duane Wolff on 05/06/2002 14:03:55

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jm
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 14:15:11

Now I know why I don't race..

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Bristle
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Response Posted - 05/06/2002 : 21:01:18

When you think about it, it's not half as weird as baseball!

Dave Bristle, 1985 C-25 SR-FK #5032 "Passage" in CT

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