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thaind
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Initially Posted - 01/18/2006 : 12:01:19

I am planning to set up my C25 to run lines back to cockpit for Uphauls, Reefing and Vang, and am looking for advice.

Should I go with Spinlock type clutches for all, Cam cleats for all or some lines or regular cleats? I don't see myself doing a lot of racing, and am setting it up more for single handed sailing.

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Derek Thain

Derek Thain 78 TR FK "PASSAGES"

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 01/18/2006 : 12:16:14

Derek,

I use line clutches for the most heavily loaded lines, and camcleats for the lighter ones. Here's a photo of my two-level control lines on the stbd side.

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I installed a cabin top winch to help tension the jib luff. (I have an adjustable backstay as well.) I plan to add a stbd winch behind the line clutches in the photo above when I get around to it. (I'm keeping my eye out for a matching Lewmar #7. Anybody got an extra one?)

-- Leon Sisson

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 01/18/2006 : 12:31:26

There are a lot of photos on my site, I really do like the Spinlocs, be sure and get the right line size.

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frankr
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Response Posted - 01/18/2006 : 13:00:44

Here are two pics of my set up. Starboard - 3 rope clutches ( 1st reef, 2nd reef, main halyard). Port 2 rope clutches (jib halyard and cunningham. I added a 2 x 2 organizer on the starboard side and used the old single organized to stack on top of the port single organizer.

Edited by - frankr on 01/18/2006 13:01:30

Champipple
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Response Posted - 01/18/2006 : 13:52:40

Id depends. If its a line you might constantly adjust - Pole up/down maybe vang - then cam, otherwise spinlock type.

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thaind
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Response Posted - 01/18/2006 : 21:34:09

Nice setup. I bought a couple of deck organizers in anticipation. Are the winches needed?

Derek Thain

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/19/2006 : 10:15:12

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by thaind
 ...I bought a couple of deck organizers in anticipation. Are the winches needed?
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Depends...If the lines you plan on running back have enough purchase, then winches aren't necessary.

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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/19/2006 : 13:18:55

Derek... If you were to winch down a halyard running through a cam cleat, you'd likely have trouble trying to release it from the cleat. Clutches are designed to release easily under heavy loads. So, for example, a halyard or reefing line should go through a clutch, and a dousing line (for pulling down the main--no appreciable load) can use a cheap little cam. I don't use winches on the halyards--I just give them a final tug and snap down the clutch. If I'm sailing with someone else, I might later go to the mast and yank down the downhaul... but usually don't.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 01/19/2006 13:20:58

Cloudveil
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Response Posted - 02/12/2006 : 17:59:07

Leon - I am installing triple spinloks on my 89 C25. Should I
through-bolt units, or screw to deck. My 89 has a void between deck
and inner liner, so I would like to avoid through bolts if
possible. Thanks
John Wood C25WK 5973

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/12/2006 : 18:50:27

Fill the void and go with through bolts with a good backing. You don't want to screw in anything with that type of load.

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/12/2006 : 18:50:40

Has anyone tried these winches? They're very inexpensive, made by Forespar, and look like they would be just the thing for cabin top winches. Defender sells them for $57.16.

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djn
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Response Posted - 02/12/2006 : 19:06:15

Hi John, I just mounted two winches on the top of my cabin. I used through bolts and fender washers underneath. There was a void, but is was very small and was taken up just by tightening. I was going to fill it but it was not large enough. Cheers.

Hi Steve, after mounting my new/used Lewmar (sp) #7, I can't imagine anything being less stout. I was suprized how light they are, both in wieght and build. Cheers.

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Justin
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Response Posted - 02/13/2006 : 07:44:01

This is a project I would like to do someday as well. Do you have to buy a different mast base plate in order to mount those blocks to guide the lines?

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djn
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Response Posted - 02/13/2006 : 08:14:41

Hi Justin, yes or no...depending. I am going to put the mast plate on when I drop my mast next month for mods and maintainance, but I have seen other types of swivle blocks bolted right to the deck at the base of the mast. I guess it all depends. Cheers.

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Gloss
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Response Posted - 02/13/2006 : 08:37:10

Is this like choosing between Ginger, or Maryanne? I'll take Maryanne.

I installed Spinlock triple XAS clutches on each side of my 89 roof. I don't have a void (at least I didn't notice) I used 1/4" oval head machine bolts. Of course I treated each hole with epoxy first. I first installed them backwards and it took me a while to figure out why they didn't hold very well. Don't I feel like a dumb ass

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 02/13/2006 : 09:52:55

I have triple clutches on each side, two cam cleats, and a winch. On port:

Jib Halyard, outhaul, pole foreguy through clutch, spinnaker halyard on cleat, other cleat free (used with roller furling line).

On Starboard:

main halyard, vang, reefing line on clutch, spinnaker pole lift on cleat

The clutch is in front of the winch so any line can be winched. The cleats are behind and to the side of the winch. I have a deck plate under the mast for turning blocks and 6 line organizers on each side. Everything through bolted.

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