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AADIVER
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Initially Posted - 02/10/2006 :  12:11:04  Show Profile  Visit AADIVER's Homepage
Any recommendations for a rigging tuner for my 250, preferably in the Long Beach/San Pedro/Wilmington/Huntington Beach, CA area? Thanks
Frank Farmer
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'01 C-250 WK, Hull #558
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WindDancer
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Response Posted - 02/10/2006 :  23:48:32  Show Profile
Frank,

I picked up mine from West Coast and it was not very expensive. They work great.

Bruce
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stewendkos
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  11:50:59  Show Profile
Frank,
What's a "tuner"?Are we speaking of a gauge?
Steve
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frog0911
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  13:07:32  Show Profile
Think he wants a warm body that knows how to rig a 250. If you find one Frank, we all would like to know his/her procedure. I've been working on it for almost two years and am getting closer, but not there yet.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  14:16:55  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
If your physically able, do it yourself.

read Bill Holcomb's tuning guide in the tech tips, then go read the capri guide for additional basics (capri loos guage number aren't going to help you, just read it for fundamentals).

If you are dead set on having someone do it for you, call your local sail loft, they usually have a slew of guys that do this. North has a loft out your way. http://na.northsails.com/contact_us.taf

dw
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blacksheep
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  14:26:31  Show Profile


...human rig tuner...
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  14:27:28  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
Blacksheep - I was going for the same picture, you must have beaten me to the link.

Would you call that a human loos guage, no pun intended?
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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  14:39:21  Show Profile
I'm appalled...the owner of this boat has a powerboat whip antenna attached to the stern rail!
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  14:41:16  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
That looks like a fairly large boat don, it might be a whip antenna on his dinghy...
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  19:57:56  Show Profile  Visit Frank Hopper's Homepage
IMHO Tuning a little rig like the 250 should be done by the owner. I would think a professional would have a problem figuring out what to charge to make it worth his time and not rip you off.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  20:43:09  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
I have a little more time now, so I found some additional reading resources.

http://www.jworld-sailing.com/tune-rig.htm

http://www.sailingsupply.com/articles/Tuning_Your_Rig/body_tuning_your_rig.html

What to charge? Common Frank, where is your head. One Beer per Stay, and a fifth for each style loos tension guage needed. Or, in the case of last year where I wanted to have a guy come out an look at it after the mast tabernacle ripped out, we bought the guy a first edition copy of Ashley's book of knots. And all the beer he could drink while we went sailing.

It is important to note that stuff stretches, boat's stretch and contract. You'll need to fine tune everything a few weeks after you put her in the water.

dw
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stewendkos
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  21:56:50  Show Profile
WOW! I now know that I need one asap.
Thanks for the input.
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  22:28:59  Show Profile  Visit Champipple's Homepage
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by stewendkos</i>
<br />WOW! I now know that I need one asap.
Thanks for the input.
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Which one? Ashley's book of knots, one of those gluteus tuning guages, or a power boats whip antenna?
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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 02/11/2006 :  23:08:04  Show Profile  Visit AADIVER's Homepage
Okay, mates, gimme an answer to this one: the C-250 spec sheet lists the shrouds and stays as 0.40 cm, and the forestay 0.48. How do those numbers convert to wire size/diameter?
Also, if I do the tuning/tensioning myself do I have to pop for an 80 buck Loos gauge at WM? If so, the Model A or the PT1?
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stewendkos
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Response Posted - 02/12/2006 :  00:13:20  Show Profile
Straight answer-----I bought the 91 a ,and due to the incredible variables,I'm staying with the reply on my inquiry about "rigging tension" from "fhopper@mac.com " Trust your rigger" I'm returning the gauge.I'll probably make things worse.The rigger told me to call him in a couple of years,so I'm sailing on.
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 02/12/2006 :  07:15:38  Show Profile
I'm with Frank. Rig tuning isn't that complicated. On most boats, if you get the mast erect (both fore and aft, and side-to-side), and snug down the stays just enough to keep the leeward stays from becoming really slack when you're sailing to windward, and if you adjust the headstay snugly enough so that the amount of sag in the headstay is negligible, then that's generally good enough for most purposes. After you do that, sail the boat. If it has more weather helm than is comfortable for you, then readjust the mast by tilting it forward a little. If it has too little weather helm, adjust the mast aft a bit. If it feels good, it probably is good.

The overall idea is that you want the whole rig just tight enough to keep the rig from moving around when the boat is rocking and rolling on lumpy seas, but no tighter. The exact amount of tension isn't critical. If you get it that close, the boat will sail well. Any further refinements will only help it point a fraction of a degree higher or sail a fraction of a knot faster.

As you become a more experienced sailor, you'll develop a more critical eye for rig tuning, and you'll learn how to make those fine adjustments that will improve performance by a small fraction.
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welshoff
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Response Posted - 02/13/2006 :  13:24:43  Show Profile
I tuned my rig myself last summer. Here is a link to the process I used. I had never tuned one prior to this experience. Drop down a couple of entries to an activity list I posted. I didn't use any gauges. Not sure if this helps?

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9989& SearchTerms=tune
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