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Rich G
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Initially Posted - 02/19/2006 : 02:08:26

I'm going to replace the original wire-to-rope halyards with all-rope this spring. I figured while I was at it, I would lead them back to the cockpit. The kit that Catalina Direct sells is very tempting since it has everything right there, but the price is a bit daunting. Will I have better luck buying separate components from Westmarine or Defender, or do I just buy the CD kit?

Also, the CD kit does not include winches. Are cabin top winches a necessary element in this project? What size is adequate?

Not understanding simple projects like this makes me wonder why I ever bought the damn thing, but it's so much fun . . .

Rich

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1984 SR/FK No Pop-Top

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ct95949
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Response Posted - 02/19/2006 : 08:23:50

Hi Rich
Everything you need to know about leading your lines aft is in this forum.If you do a search you can read all day from some real experts.

I would shop around instead of doing the kit thing.You can find some killer deals and get exactly what you want.I like CD alot and still do business with them but I have alot of extra parts left over from thier kits.DO NOT buy from West Marine unless it's a 50% off sale!I wasted a ton of money there before I found Sailnet,Defender,APS,etc.(Sailnet has changed owners and is now crap sadly to say)

My boat came with cabin top winches and I use them alot in lieu of purchase systems.When you do your research I think you will find they are not an absolute necessity

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bbriner
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Response Posted - 02/19/2006 : 12:45:00

My 2 cents wrt cabin-top winches: it depends on your normal sailing conditions. Winches help you increase the luff tension of your sail, which in turn adjusts the sail's draft. Simply put, the stronger the wind the tighter you will want your luff. So if your normal wind is light to moderate then you probably don't need them. Likewise, if you often sail in moderate to strong wind then you will probably want them. While this is all not absolutely necessary, they give you another sail shape control; so without being able to make this adjustment you will need to make other adjustments to stay safe and comfortable.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/19/2006 : 13:36:57

I had lewmar 7s on my 82 and my 89 came with Lewmar 6s. I liked the 7s better for getting the winch handle higher off the cabintop if for nothing else. My 82 had both halyards led to the starboard side, it really was fine and only required one winch. Most other lines you would lead back do not require a winch. However if you wish to add a second headsail halyard and have a winch's mechanical advantage available to you on your reefing lines or cunningham then you will want two winches and you will want the halyards run down separate sides. I put a lot of thought into doing this project on my 82 and you will find a lot of photos on my site under my sig. I have also put a lot of thought into this on my 89. My 89 has a furler which in my mind changes everything. I had 4 lines led back per side on the 82 and am getting by with two lines led back per side on the 89. Look at as many solutions as possible and then do what you want to meet your needs.
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bbriner
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Response Posted - 02/20/2006 : 11:32:34

Frank
I've been thinking about bringing both halyards back on same side, since none of the other port-side lines will likely need a winch (unless I put a downhaul on the gooseneck ... did you do this?). I looked through your pics and didn't see a pic of your 82 rigged with both halyards on starboard. Do you have any pics of that still? How did that work for you? I was wondering how you ran the jib halyard over to the deck organizer.. TIA.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/20/2006 : 15:25:22

There are two sets of sheaves at the top. You make sure the Headsail Halyard is run on the starboard set so the tail runs down the aft starboard side of the mast. The mainsail halyard will set on the port set of sheaves and will cross over the forward side of the mast. In the stock factory setup there were two turning blocks screwed to the deck which turned the halyards to the deck organizer, (you can see the plugged spots in the photo). I do not like turning blocks screwed into a deck. I recommend that you buy a halyard plate and shackle blocks to the halyard plate for turning blocks.

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bbriner
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Response Posted - 02/21/2006 : 11:56:08

Ahh... I see that now. Something else to think about...thanks Frank!

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Rich G
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Response Posted - 02/23/2006 : 14:39:18

My initial research for this project is coming in at about $750, not including winches.

I'm a bit confused as to what goes where, but here are my thoughts:

I figure if I'm going to put holes into my deck for hardware, I'm going to leave myself room to grow and put in quad deck organizers and triple rope clutches.

Main halyard and two reef lines (reef one) starbord with a Lewmar 7 winch.

I have a CDI furler, so I was not going to run the jib halyard back yet. Port side I'm thinking two lines for second reef points and topping lift (although I'm still contemplating Boomkicker and eliminating the topping lift altogether).

Comments? Suggestions? Anybody criging and yelling, "You idiot, you can't do it that way!" yet?

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 02/23/2006 : 15:02:03

Rich,

I think everybody (re)rigs their deck differently. My preference is to put all mainsail controls on stbd, and all headsail controls to port.

Speaking of future expansion, I installed a 2x3 deck organizer and a triple clutch on each side. I relocated the stock Lewmar #7 winch from the mast to the port clutches. I left the same amount of space behind the stbd clutches for a second winch.

For light lines on the upper level of the deck organizers, I built bridge-like teak platforms which stradle the heavy lines just ahead of the clutches. On this platform, I mounted small camcleats w/fairleads.

At the mast base plate (a.k.a. halyard turning plate), I installed Ronstan blocks for the halyards, and little Harkens for the other small control lines.

I have two reefs, each single-line. I have had no trouble what so ever quickly achieving good reefed sail shape with that setup.

-- Leon Sisson

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 02/23/2006 : 16:12:10

My deck arrangment is similar to Leon's. Main halyard on Stbd and Jib halyard on port, which is the stock configuration. I also have my rigid vang control line led aft on a port double clutch. My spinnaker halyard is on starboard only because the lines wouldn't foul my radio antenna and mast wiring on that side. Both main and spinnaker halyards are run to a double clutch. I also have two single line reefs on starboard to a double clutch led aft through a dbl line organizer piggy-backed on top of the original double. All the non-stock stuff is led from the mast base through Ronstan swivel blocks attached to a mast base plate from CD.

I really lioke having both reefs on one side of the boat. There are no hesitations or questions if you have to add a second reef in a hurry, or moving from one side of the boat to the other when taking the reefs out.

Wish I could show pictures but the boat is under two feet of snow.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 02/23/2006 : 18:54:42

Note we use stacked deck organizers, see the stacked double (=4) in my photo? I liked clams as opposed to cams for some things, everyone has their preferences.

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Bruce Baker
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Response Posted - 03/03/2006 : 07:43:22

I ran my halyards back to the cockpit, and I definitely recommend doing so. I bought double clutches, but now wish I had bought triples. I moved the #7 winch from the mast to the cabin top and bought another used one on ebay. Check out the deals on ebay!

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