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scottsails
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Initially Posted - 05/19/2002 : 12:06:07

I've got an '85 C25 Tall Rig/FK.I'm looking into buying a spinnaker.What size should I be looking for and what are the best for the price?Or does anyone have one for sell or know the best place to buy one?Asymetical,Symetrical?Thank you.

Scott
"Shak'n Knot Stir'd"

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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 05/19/2002 : 18:16:20

I'll assume you're not a racer, or you'd probably know the answers to several of your questions. If cruising is your thing, and unless you have an experienced crew, I'd suggest staying with a cruising (asymmetrical) chute with a dousing sock. It flies like a big jib, essentially, without the need for a spinnaker pole, separate halyard, down haul, guys, etc. (Which, if you don't have, can run hundreds of extra dollars). I have both types on my boat, but only use the symmetrical with pole infrequently when I have experienced crew, which is rare. Even if you decide to race, you can get a better rating with the cruising chute. I fly my cruising chute even single handed, unless it's really windy. I can handle it fine alone, although I have an autopilot to steer when raising, and lowering. You can find them used; check with sail lofts and used brokers like Atlantic Sail Traders and Bacon and Associates to name a few. Other outfits sell them as well. Lee Sails are made in Taiwan, I think, and offer prices that are hard to beat, but some say the quality isn't as good as U. S. made. I hope this helps.....enjoy; it's truly fun to fly a chute. BTW: I made my symmetrical chute years ago from a kit from Sailrite kits. You might check with them. It's a time consuming job that requires space to loft the patterns, but I had fun doing it. The sail is still flying 18 years later (but as I stated, I don't use it much).

Gary Encore! SK/SR #685

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scottsails
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Response Posted - 05/20/2002 : 01:37:12

Thanks Gary.I've been crewing on an amateur crew on Wed. nites.It's a Beneteau 29 and I've been working the foredeck learning to fly the chute.Lots and fun and a great learning experience.Do you happen to know what size I need for my C-25?

Scott
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/20/2002 : 08:59:01

The actual bylaws state

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(1) Luff - The length of the luffs shall be taken as the distance between the highest point of the sail and the foot measured around the edge of the luff. The dimension shall not exceed: Tall Rig - 31' 1"; Standard Rig - 29' 3 1/2".

(2) Girth - The maximum shall be measured across the widest point of the sail between points equidistant from the head. The dimension shall not exceed 18' 10 3/4".
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These measurements are for a symetrical kite. Most sailmakers (if their worth their weight in sailcloth) will have the measurements that Catalina recommends.

On a side note, since we do not race, we fly a J-24 spinaker that we picked up for next to nothing. It seems to work out well, the only catch we have is that we have to fly it about 8 inches from the top of the mast. It was a nice addition to learn how to fly it and a very inexpensive way as well. We didn't have to really worry about ripping it, since it was so cheap.

dw

Duane Wolff
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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/21/2002 : 13:46:37

Scott,

Also, take a look at WWW.sailrite.com I don't know how well you sew, but they have some kits that are rather inexpensive, plus, since its a spinaker, I don't think you would have to worry about you standard machine going through 6 ounces of dacron.

DW

Duane Wolff
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jm
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Response Posted - 05/21/2002 : 14:20:03

I think I have one of the assymetrical chutes you describe. But I've never used it.. How do I set this sail, in the context of flying it like a genoa ?
Attach to the jib halyard and haul her up, but then what ?
Attach another corner to my bow clasp and use the jib sheet on the third corner? (sorry my sail terminology is only good for main and jib sails)

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dougayoung
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Response Posted - 05/21/2002 : 19:32:13

yep, that's all there is to it.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/22/2002 : 08:38:43

With some asymetricals you want to get the sail out in front of the boat. To do this you would attach a tack line to the bow stem fitting and run the line through your pulpit. Be sure to run your lazy sheet around the front of your stay as well.

DW

Duane Wolff
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Gary B.
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Response Posted - 05/22/2002 : 10:52:17

An asymetrical is just that: asymetrical. If you've never flown it, lay it out and measure the two sides from head to foot. The longer one is the luff, shorter is leech. Check the color of the tape along the side so you can identify each later. I hook the tack of the sail to a snap shackle attached to a 25' line that runs down through a block on the forward deck, then back to the cockpit. This allows you to raise the tack when heading downwind, or to pull it down and lower the tack when sailing more on the wind. I also use a caribiner from the D ring (tack) around the forestay, to keep the sail more stabilized (I don't have roller furling; if you do, check out a device called The Tacker). I lead both sheets to the leech end of my sail; I don't run the "lazy" sheet around the forestay as Duane suggests. So, when I tack or jibe, I do it just like I would a big jib. I also recommend a "douser" or a "sock" to use in raising/lowering. I picked one up from a sailmaker for around 1 boat unit; it's not an ATN type which is more $$, but it works great for me....I think I should mention that an asymetrical like mine is not as efficient dead downwind as a symetical with a pole, so you might find that reaching downwind and jibing is faster. Hope this helps....Gary on Encore! #685 SK/SR Kalama, WA

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/22/2002 : 11:51:37

Note: Forget the running around the outside of the forestay comment, I was mentally on another boat with a bow sprit...sorry..Also forget about the tack line going out of the bow pulpit...run it directly up...Again another boat, another race

dw

Duane Wolff
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John Mason
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Response Posted - 05/22/2002 : 15:03:24

Duane,
I haven't put it into practice yet, but I think you're right about getting the sail out in front of the boat. Then you'd want the lazy sheet around in front of the forestay.

Then the head would need to be attached to the spinnaker halyard, which is above where the forestay connects to the masthead. The jib halyard might hang up on the forestay. But if you don't have a spinnaker halyard rigged, forget everything I just said <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>.

The reason I haven't put it into practice yet is I have a large sewing project in front of me. I bought one of Sailrite's cruising spinnaker kits. I've gone so far as to read the instructions and look at the pieces. I have to say they do a good job: all the pieces marked clearly with seam lines; clear instruction manual with good details. We'll see once I start the sewing, maybe tonight <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.

John Mason - Ali Paroosa
1982 - FK/SR #3290

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