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JimB517
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Initially Posted - 05/04/2006 : 13:18:56

Hey, I ordered a new 9.8 HP electric start 25 inch shaft Tohatsu 4 stroke with 6 amp alternator from Online Outboards yesterday. If anyone wants to buy a classic Honda 8 HP 20 inch shaft I'll let it go real cheap.

With 3 year warranty, free shipping, no sales tax and the C25/250 International Association members-only discount the motor was under $1900 and I'll have it in 7 to 10 days.

Can't wait. Extra long shaft mean so much more piece of mind on those long offshore passages I like to make.

Indiscipline 1978 FK SR #398

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/04/2006 : 23:17:51

By the way, ordered the 6.5 inch pitch prop (seeing the other thread on this topic).

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/04/2006 : 23:40:40

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 With 3 year warranty, free shipping, no sales tax...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Jim,

They didn't charge you sales tax, but you are still required to pay California "Use" tax, which is equal to the sales tax that you would have paid if the merchandise were bought locally. (Duane turned me on to that tidbit a few years back)

You might need this...

[url="http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub79b.pdf"]California Use Tax[/url]

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/05/2006 : 11:53:27

Yeah, like I'm going to do that. Interesting to know the State is trying to collect this type of tax.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/05/2006 : 12:33:58

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JimB517
 Yeah, like I'm going to do that. Interesting to know the State is trying to collect this type of tax.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Actually, the Use Tax law became effective in California on July 1st, 1935 and was likely instituted to level the playing field between in-state businesses and the venerable Sear catalog (They even sold mail order houses!). Virtually all states have this form of tax so when an internet site advertises "No Sales Tax", what they mean is, they don't collect the sales tax. They leave it up to the purchasee to pay the tax.

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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 05/05/2006 : 12:50:06

I have never heard of anyone in California being in trouble for not paying this use tax. It appears to be one of those laws to encourage people to feed the budget kitty but lacks any meaningful enforcement.
Kind of like reporting small dollar lotto winnings on your income tax.

Jim,
If you send me a pm with your engine details andd price I will post it on the board in Oceanside this weekend.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 05/05/2006 : 18:32:00

Jim,
You're going to love your new motor. I picked up the Nissan 9.8 last year, and except for the problem we were having with the tilt mechanism, the motor is a beaut. Very economical to run and QUIET...I sometimes have to look at the water out flow to be sure it's running. I'm still running with the stock prop and see no reason to switch to the alternate ones.

Can't wait to hear of your reaction and experience when you get yours.

Val on Calista # 3936 Patchogue, N.Y.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/05/2006 : 20:09:04

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by tinob
 ...I'm still running with the stock prop and see no reason to switch to the alternate ones.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Val,

What is the size of your Tohatsu stock prop?

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tinob
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Response Posted - 05/06/2006 : 09:34:05

Don, the prop is under wqter right now, but I'll check the manual as soon as I remember where I put it.

Like later today.

Val on Calista # 3936 Patchogue, N.Y.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 05/06/2006 : 12:34:18

Don,
The manual claims the stock prop is 7.5"

Val on Calista # 3936 Patchogue,N.Y.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/06/2006 : 16:19:46

7.5 sounds like a nice pitch for our boats.

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RSHOOTER
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Response Posted - 05/06/2006 : 20:55:56

Tohatsu lists the 7.5 pitch for moderate displacement boats. I just put on a Tohatsu 3 bladed prop with 6.5 Pitch that is supposed to be for a heavier boat like the C250. I wanted some more thrust with docking. Will see how she does when we launch next weekend.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/06/2006 : 23:59:03

What criteria was there for establishing what was moderate and what was heavy?

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RSHOOTER
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Response Posted - 05/07/2006 : 07:44:08

Not sure what Nissan/Tohatsu set for criteria. They do indicate that the 6.5 is for boats above 3,000 lbs.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 05/07/2006 : 08:10:45

Don,

I just put the boat in last Friday and with a clean botom that 7.5" pitch moves the boat up to hull speed at approximately half throttle. I say approximately using throttle twist range, not having a tachometer.

I bought the motor at the end of last season and was really impressed running with a slimy bottom. This years runs were even more impressive.

I bought the lower pitched prop when Nissan offered it at a reduced price, and will try it when the oportunity presents itself.

Val on Calista # 3936 Patchogue,N.Y.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/07/2006 : 16:45:29

...with a clean botom that 7.5" pitch moves the boat up to hull speed at approximately half throttle...

I bought the motor at the end of last season and was really impressed running with a slimy bottom. This years runs were even more impressive.

I bought the lower pitched prop when Nissan offered it at a reduced price, and will try it when the oportunity presents itself.

Val...Ya know what they say, "If it ain't broke,..."

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tinob
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Response Posted - 05/08/2006 : 08:30:04

Don--I bought the extra prop when the price dropped thinking I'd rather have an extra in case...didn't want to be in need and lose sailing time waiting for a prop to come snail mail. Bought the lower pitch one based on the comments from Tom(atgep)spelling

Val on Calista # 3936 Patchogue, N.Y.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/08/2006 : 13:19:51

Through a little prop testing of my own, I too, have a usable spare in the boat just in case.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/08/2006 : 18:55:22

Old motor sold today for $500. That goes a long way to paying for the new Tohatsu!!!!

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/14/2006 : 11:03:47

Well, the new motor arrived in 7 days. The packing was a little beat up but the motor is very well packed. Everything was perfect inside. It is very heavy. My old Honda was 80 lbs this one is listed at 93 but feels heavier. I put her on my stand and filled the oil. You have to put the motor in forward and spin the prop manually before you can shift to reverse, no problem. Its just a little too heavy for one person to install and remove.

Friday I took her down to the boat and with the help of 2 friends installed her. I had to get a new fuel tank fitting to put on my old 7 gallon Honda tank - the Nissan universal tank fitting at WM works just fine. The motor started right up after I remembered to squeeze the bulb. It is very quiet and smooth. Shifting is a little stiffer than the old motor, also it is more complex and difficult to tilt and untilt.

It runs like a dream and is very quiet, even at 1/2 throttle. That is all you need to move at hull speed.

I love the new, much deeper shaft. Even with me (250 lbs) on the bow the pump stayed under (used to pull out just when I went to the mast). I may even be able to modify the mount to raise the motor (give it a new, 3rd upper position). Since its much heavier and deeper I've redeployed more weight to the middle and bow sections of the boat.

I anxious to test MPG but I expect about the same. I don't think the stock 6.5 inch prop on the sailboat special will go to full 6000 RPMs but that is OK I want the cruising MPG. Plenty of thrust in forward and reverse, not much difference from the old Honda.

By the way, my Honda was 10 years old, used nearly every day year round, rarely flushed, and still running good.

Today I'll be hooking up the electric start and I'm really looking forward to having 6 amp charging for those long summer cruises.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/14/2006 : 14:05:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sloop Smitten
 I have never heard of anyone in California being in trouble for not paying this use tax. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Until you get a regular state audit.

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DanM
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Response Posted - 05/15/2006 : 06:16:56

Jim,
Didn't you get a new gas tank with your Tohatsu? One came with my Nissan last year. Could that be the reason for the price diference?

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tinob
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Response Posted - 05/15/2006 : 07:53:55

DAN...the folks that bought their motors this year received a discount from Online using a deal that Duane struck with them. I tried to see if it could be had retroactively but NO LUCK. That might possibly be the price difference that you noticed.

Val on Calista # 3936 Patchogue,N.Y.

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JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/15/2006 : 11:42:33

Yes, I got a fuel tank. 3.5 gallons. I prefer using my old Honda 7 gallon tank. I have 1 old and 1 new Nissan/Tohatsu 3.5 gallon tanks at home that will be good for long cruises.

The price of $1875 included the $75 members-only discount our International Association members qualify for.

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DanM
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Response Posted - 05/15/2006 : 14:30:01

I bought the Nissan last year, before Duane made the deal for us. I was referring to a $30 difference in price (last year) between the Nissan and the Tohatsu for essencially the same models. Yeah, I paid more, but almost everything was out of stock.
Reading how Jim likes the longer cruises, I see the reason for having an extra tank, even larger than the stock one.

Edited by - DanM on 05/15/2006 14:40:38

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