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Trust Me
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Initially Posted - 06/01/2006 : 13:07:41

Duane:
One of the benefits of owning a Catalina 25 is that we can all make modifications that not only personalize the boat but usally improve its user friendlyness or performance to suit our needs. I have been working with a product designer this past year to modify my fixed keel to what I call a "directional keel". I know this will improve my ability to respond to boat direction and give me a distinct advantage to "stay the course" than ever before. However I may feel this modification stays within the spirit of one design rule, I'm concerned that others (especially my fellow competitors at the Nationals) may feel this modification crosses the line of one design. Is there a committee or person that I can share this without compromising possible future patent and other considerations.
Ron

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/01/2006 : 14:36:11

From the Catalina 25 Design Class Rules...

C. KEEL

1. Keels may be either retractable or fixed. In either case, they shall be as supplied by the manufacturer. They shall remain unmodified in composition, size, and shape. Refinishing the surface of the keel shall not be considered a modification.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/01/2006 : 15:15:19

OW OW, damn, hot potato. Come to the regatta, Duane will deal with it. Worst case you can race for honor.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/01/2006 : 17:58:41

Originally posted by Trust Me
 "...I know this will improve my ability to respond to boat direction and give me a distinct advantage to "stay the course" than ever before. However I may feel this modification stays within the spirit of one design rule,..."

I think any keel modification that provides a "distinct advantage" is definitely not within the "spirit" of the class rules.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/01/2006 : 18:34:15

Would this be a trim tab along the aft edge of the keel?

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/01/2006 : 18:49:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 Would this be a trim tab along the aft edge of the keel?
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I was thinking more of a winglet bolted to the bottom of the keel.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/02/2006 : 06:34:16

I will be able to make an inspection prior to you launching. Being the chief measurer, and a competitor you can all rest assured any structural mod that doesn't adhere to class rules will need to be "un-done" and put back to factory specs or risk disqualification if protested.

Do you have any pictures of the mod that you can share? Adding a copyright logo should be enough to keep you protected.

dw

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Response Posted - 06/02/2006 : 10:59:59

Duane:
Be happy to share pic with you.
Let me get out there and take one and then upload it to shutterfly to be reviewed.
Ron

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 I will be able to make an inspection prior to you launching. Being the chief measurer, and a competitor you can all rest assured any structural mod that doesn't adhere to class rules will need to be "un-done" and put back to factory specs or risk disqualification if protested.

Do you have any pictures of the mod that you can share? Adding a copyright logo should be enough to keep you protected.

dw
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Trust Me
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Response Posted - 06/02/2006 : 19:04:37

Duane:
I've been reflecting about this and realize that I am going to the nationals to have fun and want this to create a good atomosphere and not to win at any cost. Too many are too serious about too much in life so even though I've decided to keep the 'directional keel" on (because it gives me such a comfort level that I am on the right tack on the race course) I've decided to heck with patents and I will offer to put it on any fixed keel boat that wants it.
Please check it out and decide for yourself if I have stayed within the spririt of the one design.

Capt Ron
<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 I will be able to make an inspection prior to you launching. Being the chief measurer, and a competitor you can all rest assured any structural mod that doesn't adhere to class rules will need to be "un-done" and put back to factory specs or risk disqualification if protested.

Do you have any pictures of the mod that you can share? Adding a copyright logo should be enough to keep you protected.

dw
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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/02/2006 : 20:44:09

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 06/02/2006 : 20:59:58

Ah,...Okay, you got me!

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 06/03/2006 : 06:11:04

I think the operative phrase here is: YOU GOT US ALL. Well done Ron a little levity is much appreciated.

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Trust Me
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Response Posted - 06/03/2006 : 16:15:00

Dear Fellow Catalina Sailors:
If I gave you a smile, if just for a moment.... good! The Nationals look to be a great time regardless who gets a trophy or first place flag with a special thanks to Duane. As you can see, I will be taking the racing part very serious

My next project, before the race, is a genoa water balloon launcher that is activated during a close quarters tack.

Duane....... you're not going to penalize me with a 360 if I get a direct hit on the tiller person with a water balloon at the mark will you?

Capt. Ron

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/04/2006 : 20:34:48

Bring the Water Ballons - Leave the launcher at home. There was an incident with a launcher that scored a direct hit in the exact wrong place at the wrong time. Committee with have serious issues with a launcher.

Keep the ballons within the fleet....unless fired upon.

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Trust Me
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Response Posted - 06/05/2006 : 09:05:56

Aye Aye Commander:
A launcher will not be brought or used ....not needed really since my grenade throwing arm was well developed by the Marine Corp for Nam. Come to think of it boarding and taking a boat has more appeal ...arrrgh

Capt. Ron

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