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OLarryR
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Initially Posted - 06/21/2006 : 05:57:22

How do you answer the common question that those coming on your boat for the first time invariably ask: How many can your boat hold ?

For me, I give two answers because I have to explain that a sailboat is different in shape and use from a motorboat. Capacity-wise based on size/displacement I indicate it can probably hold more than 10. I forget the simple formula that determines this but I usually indicate that capacity is generally only an issue for boats that have no cabin since some that have open boats like a small motorboat or rowboat could become overloaded if all the space was utilized.

But I then add that with a sailboat especially one with a cabin, it is unlikely anyone would want to stay in the cabin for long while sailing and since a sailboat requires the working of the sails with all the rigging, lines and tiller to do that, that only about 4, maybe max of 5 can go sailing.

In practice, I find that if both sails are used and considering the turning radius of the tiller, even with 4 (including the Captain) it is okay but gets tight because the 3rd guest is usually aft of the jib lines and if that person is a newbie, then the captain has a hard time instructing/working the jib. If there is sufficient wind and only the main sail is used, then the boat is very comfortable with a max of 5 since the main is controlled from the traveler with the main sheet leading to the stern and not in any passengers way.

Larry
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lcharlot
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 07:15:10

Four adults is about the limit for reasonable comfort in the cockpit. More than four makes it hard for anyone to move around or work the jib sheets. I have had six guests once or twice, but two of them were kids and they wanted to sit on the foredeck, away from the grownups, so it worked out. The most I have ever had aboard for an overnighter was three. Other people in my sailing club have slept as many as four on a Catalina 22, or five on a Catalina 25. Most of us have added queen-size bed conversions in the main cabin, so you could have two in the V-berth (kids), two in the main cabin, and one in the quarterberth. In hot weather, I sometimes sleep in the cockpit unless mosquitos force me to sleep below in the cabin.

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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 09:03:11

I say, "Drinks six, eats four, sleeps three."

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 09:22:11

Capacity varies based on product mix:

Eating/Drinking:

1. Bikini clad adult females - 6 or 7, more if boat is still in slip.
2. Sweaty guys who just want to drink your beer - 2 max.
3. Wife and/or mistress - 1 at a time max.
4. Loud, screaming kids or nervous mother-in law - 0

Sleeping:

See 1 and 3 above

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 09:49:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lightnup
 Capacity varies based on product mix:

Eating/Drinking:

1. Bikini clad adult females - 6 or 7, more if boat is still in slip.
2. Sweaty guys who just want to drink your beer - 2 max.
3. Wife and/or mistress - 1 at a time max.
4. Loud, screaming kids or nervous mother-in law - 0

Sleeping:

See 1 and 3 above<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I CONCUR!!

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 11:16:07

Excellent responses !

Looks like I have to revise my speech the next time someone asks. Youse guys got it right !

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stampeder
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 11:34:23

I'm going to print this out and keep it in my on-board tech file.

However, I may need clarification on the number of bikini clad females. Not that I doubt you or anything, 6 or 7 may sound okay, but I feel that I have to do my own research to see what works for me.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 11:47:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lightnup
 Capacity varies based on product mix:

Eating/Drinking:

1. Bikini clad adult females - 6 or 7, more if boat is still in slip.
2. Sweaty guys who just want to drink your beer - 2 max.
3. Wife and/or mistress - 1 at a time max.
4. Loud, screaming kids or nervous mother-in law - 0

Sleeping:

See 1 and 3 above

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nailed it

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Lightnup
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 11:48:00

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by stampeder
 I'm going to print this out and keep it in my on-board tech file.

However, I may need clarification on the number of bikini clad females. Not that I doubt you or anything, 6 or 7 may sound okay, but I feel that I have to do my own research to see what works for me.
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Yes, as always, your mileage may vary.

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tinob
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 11:52:57

Sounds to me that if this line is extended it will boil down to ONE...where I'm at...More than that and it seems that someone is always in the way of something(like plumbing)which I'm not about to get involved with. My sternrail sports a sign specifying, "PIS TO CELA"...says it all...I'm here to sail not empty potties

Val on Calista # 3936, Patchogue, N.Y.

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ilnadi
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 14:19:12

lesse,
- I get 1&3a combined,
- some of 2 (me)
- a variation of 4 (toddler who:
- gets bored unless we are sailing and with some speed
- has a stainless-steel stomach and wants people to read
to her in the v-berth while underway
- wants to snuggle up at night and generates a lot of heat).

Ah, to be married...

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lightnup
 Capacity varies based on product mix:

Eating/Drinking:

1. Bikini clad adult females - 6 or 7, more if boat is still in slip.
2. Sweaty guys who just want to drink your beer - 2 max.
3. Wife and/or mistress - 1 at a time max.
4. Loud, screaming kids or nervous mother-in law - 0

Sleeping:

See 1 and 3 above

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 06/21/2006 : 16:32:36

1 adult = 6 days
2 adults = 3 days
3 adults = 2 days
4 adults = 1 day
5 adults = need extra porta potti capacity!

paul

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Bruce Baker
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Response Posted - 06/26/2006 : 09:38:06

I worked out the capacity formula, and my recollection is that the answer is 13. I've had ten on my boat when motoring to see the fireworks on the Fourth of July. I've had eight onboard for a wine and cheese sailing cruise--it was pretty crowded--and fortunately, the winds were light. I think six is a reasonable maximum for sailing.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 06/26/2006 : 11:06:44

Capacity in my book...

Coast Guard Capacity - length x beam / 15 = 13
Racing Spinnaker - 5 or 6 if over 15kts
Racing JAM - 4 or 5 if over 15 kts
Add one if your not sailing class rules over 15kts and you can hike.
Pleasure sail - 5
Cruising with the family - 6 but two have to be young kids

Fireworks with no sails up 8-10

At the dock - a bunch

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MattL
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Response Posted - 06/26/2006 : 23:57:27

We spent a week end in SF with the two kids, the wife, my old college room mate, a freind from work, and myself. All had a great time. The winds were light.
The other night the wife and I went out on a friends cat 22 with him and his adult daughter, and two other couples, and another lady. The winds were light one person stood in the compainion way, one couple and the extra lady on bow, or cabintop, the rest of us in the cockpit. I don't think anyone felt crowded.

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Alan Clark
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Response Posted - 06/27/2006 : 07:40:24

Alot of that also depends on everyones attitude on board....

Alan & Eileen

"Live Like you mean it"

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 06/27/2006 : 08:22:14

I'd add another category to Duane's list. Racing JAM in extremely light air - 5 or 6. In light air, position the crew forward and on the lee rail, to make the boat heel to leeward, and sail bow-down. In light air, the boat's long waterline length is your enemy. It creates drag. By sailing bow-down, the boat's fat stern is partially lifted, significantly reducing it's wetted surface. By heeling to leeward, the boom is less likely to swing across to the windward side in the light air, and the sails are more likely to hang in the curved shape that drives the boat (instead of hanging limp and uselessly from an erect mast).

The next time you're going to sail in light air, take along a couple extra crew and position them all forward and to leeward, and, despite the extra weight, you'll continue sailing when others' sails are slatting.

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