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delliottg
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Initially Posted - 07/29/2006 :  21:10:43  Show Profile  Visit delliottg's Homepage
We just got back from looking at a 1995 WB we're thinking about (we were outbid on the WK we looked at a couple of weeks back BTW). I noticed concentric cracks around both of the aft stay hull attachment points, as well as around the bottom gudgeon. I was unable to get into the stern of the boat to have a closer look due to all the sails, rudders, boat cover, etc. that the owner has packed back there, so I don't know if the cracks are all the way through or not. I know that a surveyor would get back in there, but I'd like to ask the folks here if the concentric cracks are a common occurence and nothing much to worry about, or are they a problem. I took some pictures which I can post if that's helpful.

I also noticed that the boarding ladder bolts were somewhat loose, how difficult to get to them on the inside to tighten them? On the WK we looked at, I tried to open the hatch at the rear of the boat where I presume you'd need to get but was unsuccessful, is there a trick to getting that hatch off? I presume that the batteries are behind that hatch as well?

Thanks for any advice you can offer.

David & Rita
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bill bosworth
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Response Posted - 07/29/2006 :  22:15:42  Show Profile
Hi David;
I'll offer my two cents; I have a 95 wb. I don't recall any cracks around the back stay, or the rudder gudgeon. I would be suprised if you were able to see cracks from within the boat. This area has a heavy paint type coating on the inside. I would imagine cracking would be confined to the jell coat surface. Chances are that these are only appearance and don't affect the real structure of the boat. To get at the stern of the boat from the inside, it would be best to remove the entire back pannel. It is only held on with a handfull of screws, If you use a power screwdiver or cordless drill it only takes a minute to remove the pannel, and yes the battery is back there behind the small door. The door is removed by sliding it up then pulling it out.

It would probably be money well spent to have someone look at the boat prior to purchase. The c250 wb is a very substantial boat, I have been following this website for years and can't remember many, if any, hull problems. Most issues seem to revolve around the rudder and centerboard cable.

Best of luck,
Bill c250wb #134 Serendipity
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delliottg
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Response Posted - 07/31/2006 :  18:38:42  Show Profile  Visit delliottg's Homepage
Bill,
Thanks for the reply. Here's a picture of what I'm talking about: .

As you can see, there are some larger cracks at the turn of the transom and rubrail, as well as the star crazing at the lifeline/aft stay attachment points.

Here's a closer shot of the lifeline/aft stay attachment:


And a shot of the rudder pintle and right side of the boarding ladder:


Do any of these look like things to worry about?

David & Rita
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Response Posted - 07/31/2006 :  19:11:34  Show Profile
David;
I would be concerned. I've never seen cracks like these on a c250. I would seek the advice of a surveyor. Could it be collision damage?
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delliottg
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Response Posted - 07/31/2006 :  19:17:26  Show Profile  Visit delliottg's Homepage
Bill,
Thanks again for your replies. As it turns out, this boat has about a 9' long scratch on the starboard side, about six inches or so above the waterline. It looks cosmetic to me, but I couldn't get behind panels to look at the inside of the hull. My guess is that they made an approach to a dock too hot and caught a bolt or something. A friend pointed out that the damage on the side of the boat is somewhat inline with the damage on the stern, so they may be related. Here's a photo of the scratch, you have to look closely to see it since it's white on white:
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